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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 02:49 pm |
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The American Life League has formed a coalition of 12 Catholic organizations to get Bill Maher fired by HBO. Maher recently denounced Pope Benedict XVI as a 'nazi' and the 'leader of a pedophile cult', according to Catholic World News.
The organization has organized an online petition drive to get Maher fired. He has already promised to apologize, but frankly I don't think that's good enough. In addition to signing the petition, I have also sent the following message to HBO under the subject line "Anti-Catholic Bigotry":
As a faithful Catholic I am highly offended by Mr. Maher's continued hatred of the Catholic Church. I refuse to watch anything with which his name is associated. I am an HBO subscriber but I will seriously consider canceling my subscription unless Mr. Maher's program is removed from your schedule. An apology is not sufficient. If the same remarks had been made about women, blacks, gays, evangelicals, Scientologists, or any other minority he would already be gone. Catholics are the largest religious body in the world and the United States, and we are therefore the largest minority. It is unconscionable that you would allow such a hate-monger to appear on your channel.
The web site listed above, FireBillMaher.com, has a link to the actual video. I suggest you watch it and decide whether to sign the petition. If you wish to send your comments to HBO, you may do so at this web site.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 04:49 pm |
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Whoa!  It's a miracle God hasn't struck him dead. What a mocker in the first degree! I don't think I'd want to stand too close to him!
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 05:03 pm |
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| Rick, all I get at the FireBillMahr website is a page with no links. I did send a disparaging message to HBO, although I cancelled my subscription to them years ago because of the pornography they carry. I would be glad to sign the petition if there is a way to get to the website.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 05:29 pm |
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Credo Catholic wrote: Rick, all I get at the FireBillMahr website is a page with no links. I did send a disparaging message to HBO, although I cancelled my subscription to them years ago because of the pornography they carry. I would be glad to sign the petition if there is a way to get to the website.
Try going to http://www.firebillmaher.com
To view the video you can also go to http://blip.tv/file/832753
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EMarshallBuckles
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 02:35 am |
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| Of course, I think that Bill Maher has gone way too far and needs to be disciplined - and have written to HBO suggesting that - yet, even so, I am not sure that getting him fired is the best way to go about it. When someone offends my dear Catholic brothers and sisters, they also offend me and I want any such offense stopped. I am wondering, however, if it might be possible to get HBO to demand that Maher do some things, if he wants to keep his job, like attending Mass, talking with Catholics and "walking a mile in Catholic shoes" in order to see exactly what Catholics are like, what they do and so forth. Even if he does not stop saying negative things about Catholics and other Christians, at least he would have been exposed to some good, Catholic folks and been exposed to the Scriptures. I have found that the Scriptures have an awesome power and that exposure to them, and exposure to truly Christian people, can plant seeds of the spirit which might bear fruit later in people's lives in ways we would never have imagined. Meanwhile, we can pray for Bill Maher, that the Lord will soften his heart and lead him to faith in Christ.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 11:12 am |
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Bill Maher apologizes for calling Pope Benedict a Nazi
New York, Apr 19, 2008 / 09:05 pm (CNA).- Comedian Bill Maher apologized on his HBO show Friday night for accusing Pope Benedict XVI of being a Nazi. After some delay, the Catholic League reports, Maher acknowledged that Joseph Ratzinger as a young man was forced to join the Hitler Youth organization and was not sympathetic to the Nazi ideology.
Maher still insisted that if a CEO were in charge of an institution that housed child molesters, he would be fired.
Bill Donohue, President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, responded to Maher’s broadcast apology. “We accept Maher's apology for accusing the pope of being a Nazi. Too bad he didn't stop there. For him to suggest that Pope Benedict XVI was in charge of policing molesters, and failed in doing so, is patently absurd,” Donohue said.
Donohue said that, as head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger’s principal job was to ensure theologians faithfully presented the doctrines of the Catholic Church. Donohue argued the future Pope Benedict XVI was not in charge of enforcing “codes of conduct” until after the scandal of American clerical sexual abuse of children was publicized in 2002. “By all accounts,” Donohue said, he “did so effectively.”
Donohue then claimed the Catholic Church was too large for effective oversight from Rome.
“Maher has to understand that no one person, including the Pope, could possibly be held accountable for the behavior of its employees in a global institution,” Donohue said.
“There are priests from Boston to Bosnia, and it is simply preposterous for any one person to know exactly what is going on everywhere at any given time. Maher would have been better advised to focus on those bishops who proved to be enablers-it is the bishop's job to know what is going on in his diocese, not the Pope's.”
Donohue also said it would be “great” if Maher “gave up his Catholic-bashing obsession once and for all.”
The above article is reposted with permission from Catholic News Agency.
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EMarshallBuckles
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 09:47 pm |
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| I was glad to learn, through your post, CajunRick, that Maher did at least apologize for calling the Pope a Nazi. I, too, wish that he had not stopped there. I have wondered "what is up", with Maher. I'd be interested to know more about his background and why he has been so terribly anti-Christian. The atheists and other anti-Christian groups need to go back and read the history of the Soviet Union, the history of Communist China and Communist North Korea - not to mention the history of pre-Christian Rome among others. If it had not been for Christians and faithful Jews, our world would be a far more wicked, far more evil, terrible place than it is now and has been in the past. If Maher wants to be critical of someone, he needs to attack those specific people who are damaging our society with their amorality and misbehavior instead of trying to generalize saying that Christians are responsible for it all. Oh well, at least Maher apologized for something.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 10:08 pm |
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| Umm, the guy blasts evangelicals on a regular basis, no one is ever going to get fired for that! I would rather he have guests on his show who are steeped in aplogetics, but that will most likely never happen, he would not take the chance of being shown up on his own show. Why would a public apology not suffice, should Mel Gibson be banned from making movies for his remarks about the Jews?
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 10:19 pm |
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I too wrote about the Bill Maher fiasco but stated that we would boycot the sponsors - these people seem to only think in dollars and cents - I told them we made up about a third of the country and to have their accountants do the math.
I will probably get shot down in flames for this but I am getting a bit tired of hearing, from others, about the priest scandal. I do not think that any other "business" has ever hung out its "dirty laundry" as the Church has done as a whole. Were there bad priests - no question. Did they do wrong - again no question. But when all was said and done the Church as a whole has gone to great lengths to make right was was wrong. How many other institutions can say that.
The prist scandal has become for me, according to other religions, another thing to bash us with. It is right up there with:
1. Worshipping Our Lady - please
2. Catholics do not read the bible - say what - you mean the book we put together. Hmm what is wrong with that thought.
3. Idolatry.
But you know when all is said and done it is like Bishop Fulton Sheen said - there are about 100,000 people who hate what they think the Catholic Church is and only about 100 who really do.
What bothers me the most about this continuation is the damage it inflicts upon the thousands of good priest is diocese around the country who are injured by this - goes to show what Paul was talking about in we are one body - I think it is time that we accept what happened - pray for those who perpetrated this horror on the children - yes we have to remember the Our Father and then support our priests. When the outside world sees this rather than our running around like scared rats - maybe, just maybe they will see the real Church
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 10:25 pm |
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Unfortunately since he was brought up Catholic he thinks he has the right to bash us.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 10:29 pm |
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Guys like Maher remind me of those old inflatable punch 'em figures with the weights at the bottom, so they'd always bounce back. You keep knocking him down, hitting with all the power you've got and he's still bouncing back.
If we could only find a way to get the guys/gals with the money spigots to keep this bum in business to shut them off once and for all, it'd be the same as letting the air out of the punch 'em figure.
As for his comments about the pedophile matters, that's going to be much more problematic. Maher and his hollywood cronies will milk that for years, if not decades to follow and all they have to do is point to the Bill of Rights, any open-docket cases, and fresh stories in the media to cover their miserable fannies by pointing to the "relevancy" of the material.
Maher's been a royal pain for Catholics and Christians in general for years. But what I don't understand is this: he puts on his swarmy, smirky and arrogant display of contempt for the whole world to see when he gets on his "high horse" (perhaps an old nag would be a better description) and berates the Catholic Church and keeps his job.
In contrast, Don Imus, who (and I saw the video of his blunder) was clearly making fun of the already accepted as derogatory terms "nappy headed hos" moreso than describing the players of the Rutgers women's basketball team. He lost his show. But Maher keeps his? While indeed it's as unfair as hell, we have to take into context the differing venues where Maher and Imus stumbled and they it's all-too clear as to why Maher survives and Imus nearly lost everything for good.
Imus worked on commercial radio and NBC. Maher's playground is HBO, formerly the home turf of Tony Soprano. It's a sewer.
While I applaud Cajunrick's and Bill Donohue's efforts to get Maher's rear bumped on the pavement, perhaps it's best we just find ways of keeping him in the sewer and making sure he doesn't rise above his element.
Now, there's one great ticket; Donohue and Cajunrick -- New York and Louisiana. Naaaaa, not "Americanized" enough to be considered as "safe Catholics" for the media. And too principled.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 10:49 pm |
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Well, I would vote for CajunRick and Donohue in a heartbeat! 
Although one who is not a member of a Roman Catholic church, loving and respecting and admiring my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ nevertheless, I too, and sick and tired of people putting down the Catholic Church and bringing up the pedophile priest business. As I have shared before, believe me, I have heard of MANY such instances in the protestant denominations, however, they manage to sweep many of these under the carpet, so to speak, and don't let them become public knowledge. The protestants have scandals too, some of them far worse than anything in the Catholic Church. While I don't think that the denominations need to have a "secret police", I think that they all do need a mechanism, and people staffing it, which somehow enables them to keep maintain a far greater oversight about what goes on and have means in place for quickly getting misbehavior of clergy and church officials stopped when it happens. One would hope and pray that problems would not occur in the churches and denominational organizations, however, sadly, they do, from time to time and churches will have to be more vigilent.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 11:03 pm |
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I just saw the Maher piece. This garbage would do Josef Goebbels and Julius Streicher proud. As for the guests, why haven't they been called on any carpets to answer for their lack of good judgment and walking off when clearly anyone with even the slightest tinge of a social conscience would've stormed off instead of yuk yuk-ing along with this moronic excuse for a snob and bigot. (And, wasn't that the guy who played "George" in Seinfeld?)
Hell, the only thing missing in this instance was Richard Kramer's anti-black rants to round out the bigot's ball on Maher's politically and morally distasteful show.
I'd better get off, before I get into trouble. 
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 11:24 pm |
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Candlemass wrote: Why would a public apology not suffice, should Mel Gibson be banned from making movies for his remarks about the Jews?
Maher is an anti-Catholic, anti-Christian, anti-religious bigot and he has demonstrated it repeatedly. His remarks were not misunderstood, they were not made while he was drunk and off-guard, and they were made on an international television program. His 'apology' was half-hearted at best, and only addressed his comment that Pope Benedict was a Nazi, not his remarks against the Catholic Church. Unlike Don Imus, the statement was planned and scriptied. He knew exactly what he was saying, and he meant every word.
The guy is a bigot of the worst kind. Quite simply, he hates everyone who does not agree with him. He does not deserve his own television show, regardless of the network.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 11:32 pm |
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| At the risk of sounding repetative - I agree but there is a way go get his show cancelled - get a list of the sponsors and write to them - let him keep his half hearted apology - we will hear the outcry instead when the sponsors withdraw from the show - does anyone know where we can get this list??
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 12:20 am |
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CajunRick wrote: Maher is an anti-Catholic, anti-Christian, anti-religious bigot and he has demonstrated it repeatedly. His remarks were not misunderstood, they were not made while he was drunk and off-guard, and they were made on an international television program. His 'apology' was half-hearted at best, and only addressed his comment that Pope Benedict was a Nazi, not his remarks against the Catholic Church. Unlike Don Imus, the statement was planned and scriptied. He knew exactly what he was saying, and he meant every word.
The guy is a bigot of the worst kind. Quite simply, he hates everyone who does not agree with him. He does not deserve his own television show, regardless of the network.
Amen to that, Rickmeister! I used to "try" to watch his show years ago (I could only stand so much of him), and he was a jerk then and he's a total and absolute jerk now. I don't know how he sleeps at night or why he's even allowed by any network to have his own show.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 04:28 am |
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So long as Maher still has a "following," and he does, trust me on this, within the groves of some of our more elitist institutions of higher education, some of them within five miles of where I'm typing this, bums like this guy will always have a bunch of creeps to bail his sorry a.. out.
He was up here within the past year and the local and habitually knee-jerk liberal fishwrap and usual assorted eggheads slobbered all over this sorry excuse for a "political entertainer." The irony of Maher is that he got away with calling his show "Politically Incorrect" when his whole modus operandi is to enforce the very worst of Orwellian tendencies found with the ever so exacting politically correct gestapo types. Not that they ever needed Maher to begin with, but he gives these language and group-think blackshirts license and some some respectablility they would never enjoy outside of largely academic communties.
PC is a complete misnomer to begin with because the kind of hypocrites Maher represents and caters to wouldn't know the very essence of political correctness in a truly civil society if it hit them over their heads. The reason for this is that they confuse a code of group-think mentality and speech fitting their selfish needs with what they lack the collective spine to 'fess up to: political discomfort.
Morality, absolute values, public decency, civility, Christianity, especially Catholicism, strictures against libertinism, western civilization, heterosexuality, patriotism, even the least jingoistic variety, celebrating Christmas and Chanukha openly w/o fear of "giving offense," and so forth -- make the Mahers and his ilk all feel like they've been forced to wear hairshirts and burlaped hair-thongs  (for good measure.) Hell, they deserve the latter for all the aggravation they put us through, thanks to their insulting demeanor and outright open contemptuous behavior.
As you can tell, I've got of experience dealing with this bunch. They've never let me down for too long when I've felt the need to write about something for a good laugh.
But the Bill Mahers are a different breed. They're well-entrenched, and backed by extremely wealthy liberals (many of them so removed from the perils of going over the top) and they just don't give a damn. Snakes like t his guy are much harder to get rid of than we'd like to think.
Because unlike Imus, Maher's not man enough to genuinely own up to his mistakes. And, so long as he's got a well-oiled crowd behind him in academia and hollow-wood, I wouldn't believe any apology coming out of his mouth with a grain of the lightest sawdust.
But wouldnt it be funny watching him hop around with a burlaped hair-thong! (Or let Bill Donohue have him for five minutes.  !)
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Cathcon wrote: At the risk of sounding repetative - I agree but there is a way go get his show cancelled - get a list of the sponsors and write to them - let him keep his half hearted apology - we will hear the outcry instead when the sponsors withdraw from the show - does anyone know where we can get this list??
I don't think HBO has sponsors for their programming. Their money comes from cable subscribers. Write and tell them you are dropping your HBO channel because of Bill Maher. That would be the worst you could do to them. Besides file a complaint with the FCC for a hate speech.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 02:06 pm |
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| I found the website for the petition and added my name. It will be interesting to hear if this petition makes the news. Who wants to take bets?
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| It has been pointed out by Fr. Zuhlsdorf that our appropriate response would be prayer, fasting, and almsgiving.
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He needs Jesus more than he needs to be fired. Are we working equally hard on that front? This brings up the sage advice of the post above.
Christians should not be surprised when the world reacts us in such anger, especially when our shamefule acts become public. We should be encouraged, in a way, because people want to take the Church seriously.
Maher's calling the Pope a Nazi is a complete lack of charity on his part. It is a quick and mistaken reading of history in order to defame the Holy Father. But, the Christian response should not be an equally lamentable form of charitylessness. How could we offer charity and forgiveness, and thus MODEL what Maher most needs?
How about a petition that says, We are hurt by your words. We forgive you. We ask you to please be more careful in the future.
If all people want is to vent and seek an easy type of justice in Maher's firing, then proceed. But if people want Maher to know that he is a beloved if erring creature made in the image of God, and that that God woos him home to the love known in fellowship with the triune life, then how would we accomplish that!? Would calling for his head get us there?
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He needs Jesus more than he needs to be fired.
He needs both! Of course he needs Christ...badly! But in practical terms, his hateful rhetoric is a danger to all Christians and should be dealt with. What crazies do you think might take his hate speech even further and harm or kill Christians just because of what he said about them (I know he specifically meant Catholic Christians in that particular clip, but he's against ALL Christians - he hates us all). We're not talking about his hate speech being spoken on some street corner. This is broadcast all over the world!
Were he a Muslim saying such things I can guarantee it would perk up the ears of our national security people and he would be monitored. But because Christians don't generally react violently when our faith is attacked he gets away with it.
Complaining about it to his company is so mild in comparison to what a radical Muslim would do. I think it's the least we can do! But of course, we should pray for him.
I truly do fear for his soul and pray God has mercy on him. 
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Bill Maher is simply doing what HBO pays him to do. We have a right and a duty not to respond as the world does, including banning so-called "hate speech."
Our proper response is prayer, fasting, almsgiving, turning the other cheek, and treating Bill Maher as a child of God. Any other reponse will be inadequate and will be seen by the world as hypocritical, which it will be.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 05:19 pm |
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Bill Maher is simply doing what HBO pays him to do. We have a right and a duty not to respond as the world does, including banning so-called "hate speech."
Our proper response is prayer, fasting, almsgiving, turning the other cheek, and t | | |
