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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 01:32 pm |
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I am outraged this morning .... absolutely, I am outraged at what Bill Maher said on his pathetic forum, but I am equally as outraged that I have not heard one Protestant condemn his words! It is as if their silence speaks agreement! I am intentionally, today, going to be asking some of my Protestant friends what they thought of his remarks and see what answers I get. So far, I've heard nothing from any of the typically vocal Protestant groups.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 01:51 pm |
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abbycat wrote: I am outraged this morning .... absolutely, I am outraged at what Bill Maher said on his pathetic forum, but I am equally as outraged that I have not heard one Protestant condemn his words! It is as if their silence speaks agreement! I am intentionally, today, going to be asking some of my Protestant friends what they thought of his remarks and see what answers I get. So far, I've heard nothing from any of the typically vocal Protestant groups.
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 YOOOHOOO!!! Over here!!! I have been raising a major stink about it!! I know of other protestants who are unhappy about it and rasing a stink about it! I am, to put it mildly, EXTREMELY UNHAPPY with Maher!! 
Last I heard, he did apologize for calling the Pope a Nazi, however, he still has NOT gone far enough, in my opinion!
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Credo Catholic
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 02:01 pm |
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| I really don't think all these "forced" apologies mean anything. The guy has no scruples and will attack religion, God, catholics, and anyone else who will get him the attention and laughs he gets paid for. My beef is with HBO. They carry the most disgusting programs, and along with Hollywood like to see who can push the limits the furthest.
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abbycat
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 07:25 pm |
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That's true credo, but can you ever imagine him saying something like that about anyone of the Muslim faith? Absolutely not! My dander is really up over this one.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 12:01 am |
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You'd like to think our Protestant friends would be eager to defend their fellow Christians, but so long as they keep listening to the likes of John Hagee, John Ankerberg Tim LaHaye and who knows how many local pastors telling them in their other ears that the Catholic church is also the whore of babylon, it's going to be hard to get a lot of them mad enough to lock arms on this.
The more the Catholics have to endure about the pedophile scandals the easier they think it'll be for them to steal more sheep and fatten their rolls. Sounds cynical, but there's a hell of a lot of sheep-stealing going on and dangling the news clippings plus all the usual gimmicks the evangelicals are using nowadays, especially the "love 'em in" tactics, they probably see no purpose in making a big stink on our behalf against Maher. It's the old enemy of my enemy is my friend tactic used all over again, however odious it should seem to every decent person in the country to see people taking sides with Maher.
I really hope I wrong. Really do. But there's too much money involved and too much potential power for a lot of eager evangelical megachurch wannabe pastors looking to build their reputations for them to ignore.
Let's not be overly surprised at the silence and non-support coming from the predominately fundie protestant religious right wing in this country. Let's not be surprised at all.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 12:27 pm |
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Hi .... you're absolutely right .... and, unfortunately, the disparaging of the RC church goes back way before the pedophile situations and any of those Protestant so-called "spokesmen" were alive. I remember my family (who believe me may have called themselves "christians" but they were like me calling myself a car if I sat in a garage) used to tear the RC church down horribly. I grew up with a Polish family next door, and I watched the woman walk to Daily Mass every day, faithfully. I always wondered about that, and even with the backdrop of my alcoholic, sick family babbling in the background about those "fish-eating" Catholics, something inside my child mind watched her and wondered and was very curious, even then. In the midst of the hell in which I grew up, she was one of the only people who ever took time with me. I'm 63, so that goes back a good bit. And, of course, when John Kennedy was elected President, my family was totally convinced he would have us eating fish every Friday. It was horrible, absolutely horrible. The likes of so many Protestant pastors today, those in small churches and those widely known, are little different than my family ... sans the alcohol and stated a bit more "smoothly" .... but their hearts really hold some deep down disdain for all things RC. It's very sad. That's why I said that should I ever really feel God saying to me to remove myself from the Protestant world and convert to RC, well, you can imagine all of the fallout there would be for me. But, at this point in life, I care little what others think .... I know the only one that counts is the Lord. There are advantages to age, for sure, and that's one of them. Take care, my friend ....
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 01:40 pm |
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Abby, you inspire me.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 05:17 pm |
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Thank you very much for response. What would some of our separated brethern do without their handy misconceptions! (Probably invent newer ones. If so, Maher's probably got them signed up. He's not nearly as crafty as he'd like to think, nor clever by a half as a lot of peckerwoods protestant pastors toiling in the hinterlands against the encroachments of popery. No doubt some of them are still smiling at those old Thomas Nast 'toons of the 19th century warning the virginal young republic/ Maiden Columbia against those dirty old europeans wearing mitres and coming on the shores like crocs that haven't eaten in centuries.
Hell, if Maher was even half as creative as Nast on a bad day, the incorrect political pontificating pundit might, (sigh and yawn) be interesting. Instead he's just mean spirited and nasty for the sake of fattening his wallet.
At least the likes of Hagee, Swaggart, Robertson, Falwell, Ankerberg and Bakker believed in their nonsense, and they weren't always trying to be hateful. (Badly misinformed many times, but nowhere nearly as cobra-like as Maher. )
Maher reminds me of what the religious left likes to think of Ann Coulter, who's awfully brassy, but at least she's a Christian and doesn't have it in her to take on an entire faith, save for Islam. (Then you wouldn't want to be near her if a Fatwa's issued on her head.) But even compared to Maher, she's relatively tame, and both funnier and certainly a lot more pleasant (well, for any normal guy) to look at. If I were one of my daughters, a guy like Maher would be the last kind of male I'd dare to bring home to meet me. My kids aren't haters and their boyfriends aren't either. But I would have fun with Maher like a cat. (On the other hand, that's animal cruelty.)
Our Protestant friends are too busy squwking about being persecuted as "christians" in an increasingly paganistic, new age-ish and secularly humanistic society. Well, it's hard not to disagree with them entirely. But we do agree it wouldn't hurt every now and then if they'd remember we're some Christians, too, and not just around Christmas. How Maher's rants escape their definition of persecution or anti-Christian antagonism from within the "entertainment" industry ought to be beyond anyone's wildest imaginations.
Alas, Maher gets away with it and largely because of American society's long slide from what Alexis deToqueville had to say about us as a religious society that was good to the core because of our religious nature, and he was speaking of a largely Protestant population back then. We mustn't forget how a legally entrenched Protestant establishment was far from kindly disposed to Catholics, but the likes of a Bill Maher would've never occured because every county had a handy local nuthut to haul his sorry carcass into--for decades.
You might be terribly shocked to learn that I have a strong, extremely strong dislike of fish. Not because it was "forced down my throat" as a good Catholic kid, but I hated the damn smell and taste. Period. Not only that, but I also never had to eat fish as a military dependant thanks to then Cardinal Spelman who gave the military a special dispensation as our bishop. (Unfortunately, even as powerful as Spelman was back then, even he couldn't get the Pentagon to stop the use of the KJV of the Our Father during morning prayers said in DoD-run schools and this was during Kennedy's administration. So much for mandatory Catholic customs or the relief from protestantized prayers. It took Madalyn Murray O'Hair to liberate us from enforced Protestantism -- which perhaps explains why the Protestants are still too busy noticing the plight of their fellow Christian Americans. Some prominent Protestants are too busy fighting lost wars of past years to see the carnage that's occuring right below their noses to all fellow Americans of any faith, or, as I pointed out last night, they're just too cynical to bother upsetting THEIR fundraising drives to help us put an end to Maher-ism.
I found your tribute to your Polish friend and neighbor in stark and poignant contrast to the family situation you described as one of the greatest honors you or anyone could've bestowed on another person.
And Abby, despite the ugliness of this world that the Mahers feed on, much like diseases in a WWI trench, it will comfort you to know that by and large, there are lot more people like yourself (and even some of our admittedly less spirited Protestant brethern) and the people in this forum and elsewhere who don't care for the hatred that's been thrust at us. BUT, WE WILL PREVAIL. Maybe not tomorrow, soon, or within the next year or so. But eventually we'll succeed. Hatred eventually devours itself; even in places like hollywood.
Je nais pas, Maher. Je nais pas!
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 05:40 pm |
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 06:40 pm |
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Hi Steve .... oh yes, yes, yes. How very true ... your post was very fascinating and wise. As for my neighbor lady, Frances, she was a huge fascination to me ... looking back at that time, it's too bad I didn't realize the "gift" she was to me .... but, of course, I was way too young, but I did enjoy the kindnesses she showed me. She had a niece, one year younger than I - her name was Diane - and she and I used to play together at times. She and I had many long talks about her church, with me in my very childish non-understanding, asking her all sorts of "why" questions. I know at one point I would have loved to have gone with her to church, but of course, that was out of the question. I was invited, and went, to her First Holy Communion. I'm still not sure just how that happened, but it did. But, one thing I did begin to do was cross myself. I'm not sure just when I would do this, but I well remember my mother seeing me do it at one point and ... well, I just about landed across the room. Obviously I stopped at that point - fear of my mother dominated most other things at the time. I've looked her up through peoplefinder, but I've only got her maiden name and I know she's married and living who knows where now. It would be interesting to chat with her again and share our lives and to let her know what a profound impact she, and her wonderful Aunt, had on me - even watching out the window. We never know the lives we touch just by "doing life" ... we never know who is looking out the window.
Regarding fish ... I'm with you on that Steve ... I hate fish .... the look of it, the smell, and the taste. My father used to go fishing and bring these ugly things home, which my mother made and we all ate (UGH!). One thing I remember, besides the awful smell and taste, was the thousands of bones I constantly had to pick out of my mouth! It hardly seemed worth the work! Canned tuna is about as "fishy" as I get these days.
Good to talk with you, my friend ... God bless you on your journey.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 07:51 pm |
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BeProf wrote: Count me in on the Bill Maher outrage train.
I'm also very, very angry with him! How to deal with the anger is the hard part. 
I did sign the petition. I don't have cable, so I can't unsub from HBO, but I hope you all do if you are subscribed.
Bill Maher is a vile man. Just. plain. vile.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 04:09 am |
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Abbycat,
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. That was quite a story about crossing yourself. What on earth is so threatening to P's about this? Even Luther had no problems with it from one thing I read. It's a reminder of the Trinity; how could that ... well, I'd just as soon let a hard-core Protestant reply after I've put the "reminder" aspect to the question. That might smooth its reception!
As for the fish, amen sister! I volunteer at my family's Baptist church and one of my tasks is the weekly round up and separation of nickle deposit glass, plastic and cans of beer, soda, for money used to pay for food the church buys at the local main food bank distribution center. We pick up the large containers at the Amherst town dump and for the most part, the people don't act like usual professors when it comes to dropping their bottled stuff. BUT, there's one lost soul or two who invariably can't get it through their thick damn heads that used cans of fishy-smelling catfood and who knows what else don't belong. Ohhhhh, it's hell on a hot day when we get this one guy and his gal's goodies. This stuff reeks.
Y'know, I'm not too sure now if the original gospels didn't also have St. Peter telling Jesus when they first met, "Lord, stay away for I smell like h..."
My wife and I love to visit ME but we draw a line on seafood and we prefer our lobbies red, kickin' and alive for people to see: not eat. But, if one looks like Bill Maher or has a "I like Bill Maher" sticker on his back, well, I'm sure there's a lobsterman somewhere ... and if he just turns his rudder in one way ... good riddance to the maine lobster version of SNL's "mr. bill."  
My mom tried cooking up a lobster at Wright Patterson AFB some near fifty years ago. Disaster, smelled out the apt. big time and she was so mad at herself, the botched project, etc., (plus my wiseguy older brothers), that I didn't dare crack even the slightest smile, nor go anywhere near our quarters. Her dark mood, the scorched lobby, and foul atmosphere in more ways in one, kinda did me in for lobster. But my wife put the coup de grace once and for all when it came to tuna fish. Seeing that the cans looked like our cats' "stinky food" cans, she "mrrrroooowwwwerrrd" and said, "Well, here's your stinky."
I'll leave the real stinky for Bill, who'd even give the meanest, nastiest, orneriest and sneakiest alley cats a bad name, and I've known some who'd take considerable offense with the likes of him being thrown into their ranks. Cats have pride in more ways than one.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 04:29 am |
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Kim,
Is there anyway you can get some local officials, or business men in town, (your nearest KofC might be of some help here) and ask them to use their leverage in forcing the cable company's hand. Up here we have town monopolies -- a real racket of scandalous proportions when you see some of the rippoff and sweetheart deals we have to pay for, even at the lowest levels. (At least we get EWTN, but how many damn hours of Polka can one take. Of course in the next town over, Amherst, it's how many hours of Gaia!
But you're on target with the problem with getting STUCK with junk and unlike the regular networks, I'm not sure how HBOs ratings are constructed for accurate ratings. I'm sure they have a system. But I'd do what you can with local business leaders of ANY faith when it comes to HBO or other garbage can stations. Even the semi-porn they put on gets the Muslims riled up and makes 'em hate us all the more and keeps our war on terrorism going all that longer and so forth. Any doubts that, they ought to look at our Muslim friend's propaganda and listen to eventheir moderate imams. Any Conservative or even Orthodox Jews nearby? We have a family of Hasidic Jews in Hadley (and what a painful sight to see their kids walking home during saturday blizzards or on hot steamy 100pct humidity saturdays.)
But keep stayin' mad, real angry mad and constructively angry mad and get people to sign those computer petitions and see if you can't get a paper petition (similar to a ballot drive) to get that crap out of your local cable roster.
I'm afraid the only way around here to rid us of Maher's influence on the cable is to watch and tape him do a hatchet job on homosexuals and transgenders. But he won't go after them. No guts. To me it's not a matter of guts, but brains. You never win anything by going after that crowd, especially near what ABC News called Lesbianville: Northampton, aka Nuthampton. Nothing but heartache, headaches and the likelihood of impending bankruptcy after your job's been pulled out from under.
Good luck down in Georgia, but if people value their cable freedom more than good taste, you have a very daunting task.
But stay constructively angry and at it!   Steven
PS: Just keep reading that Catechism and that'll help take your mind off that stinkin' bum! It'll work faster than aspirin or ibuprophen!
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