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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 11:03 am |
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From Yahoo News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_re_us/giuliani_abortion
It appears that the former mayor took communion during the service on the 19th.
NEW YORK - Rudy Giuliani should not have received Holy Communion during the pope's visit because the former presidential candidate supports abortion rights, New York Cardinal Edward Egan said Monday.
Egan says he had "an understanding" with Giuliani that he is not to receive the Eucharist. The Catholic Church teaches "that abortion is a grave offense against the will of God," Egan said.
The cardinal said Monday that Giuliani broke that understanding when he received the Eucharist during Pope Benedict XVI's visit earlier this month. He received Communion during the April 19 service from one of the many clergymen who offered the sacrament.
Egan says he will be seeking a meeting with Giuliani "to insist that he abide by our understanding."
Giuliani's spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, said Monday that he is willing to meet with the cardinal but added that his faith "is a deeply personal matter and should remain confidential."
Egan's statement does not address the fact that Giuliani is on his third marriage. Catholics who divorce and remarry without getting an annulment from the church cannot receive Communion.
A spokesman for Egan said that the cardinal referred to the abortion issue rather than to Giuliani's marital history because the agreement that Giuliani would not receive Communion pre-dated his divorce from his second wife, Donna Hanover.
Giuliani's first marriage was annulled based on the fact that he and his wife were second cousins once removed. Giuliani married Hanover in 1984 and they divorced in 2002, while he was New York's mayor. He has been married to the former Judith Nathan since 2003.
Communion and abortion rights became a storyline in 2004, when Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, a Catholic, came under scrutiny for supporting abortion rights in conflict with church teaching.
Egan's criticism of Giuliani, however, is a rare case of a Catholic bishop criticizing a public figure by name. Most bishops who spoke about Communion and the responsibility of Catholic politicians did so in general terms without naming names.
Kerry's own archbishop, Sean O'Malley of Boston, endorsed the principle without naming the senator.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 12:12 pm |
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Well ..... How about that! Someone is finally taking a stand! Good for Cardinal Egan! 
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 01:35 pm |
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To paraphrase what one evangelical Iowa minister said about Pope John Paul II when the latter visited that state on his first visit --
There's a Cardinal Archbishop who knows how to be a Cardinal Archbishop.
As for hizzoner, all I can say is this guy's got nothing but chutzpah and gall. And for a former candidate for the highest office in the land to say his faith is so personal, well that's even more laughable. Even Sen. Obama, for all his wiggling and ducking and diving to evade his loose cannon pastor, the Rev. Wright's scorched earth of a travelling explanatory road show, he's never been as dumb as Guiliani to come up with that kind of what Fr. Corapi would gleefully call "happy horse manure." (I'd say a lot more if I could and I can be very Trumanesque when provoked.)
I've learned over the years never to expect much from "Rudy," one of the biggest phonies and a poster-child for why people are so turned off from politics. Hell, though, I can still remember when I had to cover a panel discussion with him, former Cong. Vin Weber and somebody else. Guiliani's topic was busting the Mob. (Well, he did a good job at that, I'll grant.) Weber's topic was abortion and I was supposed to ask Weber a question. I never got the chance because "Rudy," not then a candidate for even dog catcher, put everyone to sleep and damn near monopolized the morning with the most boring and banal presentation I've heard in all my 25 years as a writer. Utterly painful.
Back then this young, but lean and crassly ambitious prosecutor hadn't gotten the hang of public speaking. But 25 years ago he couldn't talk his way out of wet paper bag with warm water running over it. He was that bad, boring and banal. (Well, he's still banal.)
The former hizzoner's record on abortion, and history of serial monogamy are bad enough. His reputation for turning a blind eye to police abuses in station houses throughout the city didn't exactly endear himself to the Holy See either. And after one unfortunate shooting event inolving some trigger happy cops and a possible suspect, you didn't dare pull out your wallet if approached by a police officer in New York. Tsk, was Rudy's attitude. Same for his apologists and obsequious supporters. Unfortunately, the vast, and I mean vast, majority of good honorable and law abiding officers suffered due to hizzoner's willingness to let the dogs loose with a blind eye. And he "made his bones" as a prosecutor chasing after the Mob?
He's not alone when it comes to crassness and opportunism when it comes to fiscally conservative (read: cheap) politicians who all of a sudden discovered how socially (at least) advantageous it would be to embarrass himself and the person he's trying to honor, namely the Pope.
I don't have the link off hand, but you can reach Newt Gingrich's column, blog, whatever waste of space through the conservative newspaper Human Events. This wasn't honor: it was pure suck-up from a guy, who like Guiliani for different reasons, stood so far apart from the Church's teachings on social justice as to place him in another universe. The former speaker (to think he eventually succeeded Tip O'Neill, no, I won't go there) often featured a female photographer named Callista Gingrich in the most shameless way. I hope it was his daughter taking the pictures. Not (his) latest missus.) Must be a recent GOP trend: Politically shameless serial monogamy.)
The Cardinal was in a tough spot. Eagan could've just as easily used the "E-word," but he wasn't chosen for any lack of political abilities of his own which surely the Vatican knew he'd need to succeed in New York. But I'm hoping, and that's all one can do with the Capo di Cafeteria "catholics," that he'll finally get the message and either clean up his act or drop out of sight for a while. A long while.
Bravo for the Cardinal. He knows how to be a Cardinal, and a Man!Last edited on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 01:58 pm by Steven Barrett
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 02:44 pm |
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Can you imagine the hutzpah it would take for anyone to shake their head "no" as the former mayor approached the Holy Eucharist?  What an embarassing moment that would be, and then what would happen? The media would explode!  I would love to hear all the pundits explaining that! 
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 04:47 pm |
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They might get sufficiently outraged enough to make for an interesting hour with Tim Russert -- except for one thing: They're too busy trying to figure out how to keep abreast with the sudden meltdown of Senator Barry O'Blarney's crumbling campaign caught between the vice of his own inability to decide if he was a Muslim as a kid or what to do with the loose cannon of the Christian pastor he's got to worry about nowadays.
What would the media do if he hired a man of similar impeccable credentials, a certain former mayor of Gotham, the Capo di Cafateria Catholics, to handle his public relations? They'd both deserve each other, but the press would deserve a break and we deserve the truth.
And all the Cardinal wants and certainly deserves from hizzoner: truth and respect.
And it's only Tuesday ...
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 05:48 pm |
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Yes, indeed, bravo for Cardinal Egan.
As I watched the ceremony on the White House lawn welcoming the Holy Father, I gasped as I saw Speaker Nancy Pelosi bend and kiss the ring of Benedict XVI. Now's you chance, I yelled at the T.V. You've got a free hand. Give her a fatherly slap, she deserves it.
Alas, of course it didn't happen. He's too good for that. That would be one reason, along with a million others, why I am not Pope. 
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 06:31 pm |
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Giuliani had the gall to take Communion at The Stadium. Apparently, hizzoner hasn't gotten the message that having seasons tickets to the Yanks isn't the same thing as the honor of holding Seasons Tickets for the REAL Big League.
At least Pelosi, as the present Speaker of the House had STANDING to be at the WH welcoming, in sharp contrast to the guy I mentioned earlier. Hell, I won't even bother mentioning that guy's name anymore.
Even though Grandma Pelosi drives us up the wall, she's a piker compared to some of the boneheads the Holy Father has to deal with in Italy and the rest of the Fading Continent.
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