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Dave Armstrong
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 10:27 pm |
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| One big dif is that Rooney has been "married," what 11 times or sumpin'? Mr. Clinton doesn't bother with such formalities and social niceties with all of his women . . .
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 03:29 pm |
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I'm listening to Teresa Tomeo's program as I write this. She is speaking with someone from Priests for Life. Their website has 3 YouTube videos which show 3 different types of abortion. Their goal is for people to take this discussion out of the realm of theory and for people to see that one little soul is taken, is robbed of life with each and every abortion. Apparently, it is quite successful.
I still don't know how to create a link, but here's the URL:
http://www.priestsforlife.org/
I simply don't know how we can find any humor in this whatsoever. It should make every one of us WEEP and REPENT for what we have not done to stop it.
How long, O Lord, how long?
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sewnsew
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 04:48 pm |
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| The abortion issue won't be solved until this society begins to place more value on life- abortion on one end but Euthanasia, assisted suicide or plain legalized murder like in Terry Schiavo's case on the other end tells us that life doens't have much value unless it fits certain criteria
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 12:42 am |
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 Rooney was a serial monogamist. Clinton was a serial playboy, and as we all know well, his wife is very much alive and even more powerful. After all, he needs her now more than the other way around.
Who knows though. The Clintons could after all, wind up living in Al and Tipper's old crib with Bubba playing the ex-pres-in-law to this odd couple should this "dream team" get hitched. But who knows. After all the Hapsburgs and Bourbons pulled it off for a few centuries. Obamas and Clintons only need to stomach each other for 4-8 years. Hmmm, coincidently speaking, so do we, which is still a lot shorter than what the French and Spanish subjects had to put with for a lot longer.
Well now, from Mickey Rooney to Marie Antoinette to Bill n' Hill or Hill n' Bill all in one posting. Ain't that a helluva post!  I'll betcha someone like one of Bubba's successors as Arkansas' guv's, a certain Mike Huckabee, might even give it all a Gomer-like Golleeee!
Let 'em all eat one of Mickey's wedding cakes.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 08:05 pm |
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Have to confess I'm not sure if what I'm going to pass along still belongs in this thread or if ought to be moved elsewhere. I'll leave that for the guys with the "higher rank" and better judgment.
BUT here's the gist: Looks like Obama's legacy's starting to fray one thread at a time. Now it comes in the form of a connection he has with a Chicago priest, Fr. Michael Pfleger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pfleger HOWEVER, I never would've heard of this man had it not been for the indominatable Bill Donoahue. (He sure seems to find all the loose-ends, doesn't he?) The Wiki report indicates a fellow with a rather, should I say, eclectic, manner of effecting social justice from the port-side of Peter's Bark--and Kumbaya Katholic Kowboy style also landed him on Sen. Obama's carpet.
Read Donahue's release first, then check out Wiki for a fuller background and take a look at his relationship with both Cardinal George and Obama.
"OBAMA-PFLEGER TIE RUNS DEEP"
May 30, 2008
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on Rev. Michael Pfleger’s remarks at Sen. Barack Obama’s church that led the Catholic priest to apologize and the Democratic hopeful to renounce them:
“Most commentators are already focusing on the inappropriateness of the race-baiting comments by Father Pfleger. More serious is the venue in which he delivered his diatribe and his long-standing ties to Sen. Obama.
“Father Pfleger’s tirade would be inexcusable anywhere, but it is even more offensive when it happens in a church. It does not matter that it was not his own, nor does it matter that it happened in a church that has a record of allowing demagogues to exploit it. When churches become forums for political rallies, both religion and the First Amendment are corrupted.
“Obama and Pfleger are no strangers. Indeed, when Obama was in the state senate in Illinois, he conveniently arranged for Father Pfleger’s St. Sabina’s Church to receive state monies for its social programs. Of course, the guardians of church and state separation said nothing then and they are saying nothing now. That’s because they’re all in the tank for Obama. Just as important, why is it that of all the wonderful Catholic priests in the Chicago Archdiocese, Obama long ago chose Pfleger to hang with? Truth be known, Pfleger has a very troubling history: he has welcomed the anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan to preach in his church; he has hired prostitutes to worship there; he has been arrested for defacing billboards; and he once urged the crowd at an anti-gun rally to hunt down a gun store owner ‘like a rat’ and ‘snuff’ him.
“Senator Obama says he wants to bring people together. Then why does he choose as his clerical friends people like Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Father Pfleger? They are two peas in a pod, both equally divisive, separated only by the color of their skin.”
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One of the hardest things a leader must do is to tell his or her friends they have to go for the "good of" whatever office or cause they are serving. In this case, with the highest stakes imaginable, Obama had better follow McCain's lead in shedding a lot of unnecessary baggage if he expects to succeed as either candidate or president. I'm not fond of McCain by any means and won't vote for him (or Obama) but one of the two will be our president and I hope to hell that if it is Obama, by the time he's ready to take the oath, he's also learned how to say "goodbye."
Many a leader, including popes I'm sure, have had to learn this skill, and it is a skill. John Paul the Great, as great as he was, unfortunately, didn't get this skill mastered as well, ironically enough, as his successor, whom I predict, will, in a quieter way, be able to effect the many changes the late pope of happy memories, wanted so dearly to effect, but couldn't because of his intensely reciprocrated loyalty to his staff and close associates.
Obama, if McCain can dump his lobbyist riders, you'd better get rid of your cowboy clerics. And both you wouldn't suffer from learning leadership from a real expert: Benedict XVI. The Church's quietest surprise, the shy theologian who didn't want to be a pope anymore than he wanted to have to discipline wayward theologians. But he did it and God rewarded us all for his example.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 03:38 pm |
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I was originally a bit shy about putting this up. Chalk it up to fears of wearing down a good thread, or as sick of seeing my name on a post as much as some of you probably are--and I don't blame you for it either.)
However, since Obama's bagged the nomination, and this involves a prominent pro-life Catholic from Reagan's reign of error(s) and was written by a very prominent liberal Catholic columnist for the Washington Post syndicate -- what the heck, I figured it'll get people thinking.
See what you think.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/02/AR2008060202591_2.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
"For an 'Obamacon,' Communion Denied"
washingtonpost.com By E. J. Dionne Jr. Tuesday, June 3, 2008; Page A15
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 04:07 pm |
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This man is supporting "Obama despite the candidate's position on abortion, not because of it, partly in the hope that Obama's emphasis on personal responsibility in sexual matters might change the nature of the nation's argument on life issues."
I'm sorry, but that sounds like a crock. Everything Obama says is platitudes. We have a little sign on our fridge. "Obama" is written in Seinfeld-ian font and underneath are the words "The campaign about nothing".
Would he say that the other candidates are promoting a lack of responsibility in sexual matters? What the heck has Obama done to make him the candidate of sexual responsibility???
So many, too many, people are pro-life with their mouths, but for them it's just a concept, not a reality of death suffered daily by 4000 children in our country alone.
Denying this man Communion, I will not touch that one. But that this man is going to vote for the candidate of NOTHING except absolutely unlimited rights to kill even BORN babies who survive an abortion and yet he claims to be pro-life...
I'm sorry, but actions speak way louder than words. His actions tell me that he is false. A blusterer.
No one who deeply feels the pain of the deaths of all those babies could vote for a man who will and has done NOTHING to stop it. And not even voting against ANY restrictions, even of sucking the brains out of 3rd trimester babies, is promoting it.
I'm so upset I can barely write this................
He doesn't have to vote for McCain. There are many other candidates to vote for, many of whom are pro-life.
Hitler had big plans to rebuild Germany. There was just one tiny problem.............
I cannot fathom this man's "thinking." He has been mesmerized.
From his own campaign flyer: http://www.obama08-wa.com/files/experience.pdf
100% approval rating: League of Conservation Voters,
Planned Parenthood. National Education Association
gives him an “A” on their most recent scorecard.
Obama is known
unquestionable ethics and integrity. (sic)
Unquestionable ethics? Voting to maintain our nation's right to kill babies is unquestionable ethics????????
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I admit to being a bit irrational on this subject. I am passionately and without ANY exception PRO-LIFE. A little like OUR CHURCH!
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 06:25 pm |
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Nice License Plate & Cover!
Douglas Kmiec and his buddy E.J. Dionne, Jr. of the Washington Post are basing their argument for getting some slack cut Kmiec's way on a sliver that was NEVER intended to cover overt public support of a pro-abortion candidate's clearly stated positions. (By signing that letter, Kmiec wasn't just saying to a buddy "Well, of the two, I think Obama's the best.") Kmiec put on an Obama uniform, so to speak. The sliver pertains only to an individual voter's right not to be disenfranchised and allowing him or her to cast a vote for "the lesser of two evils." Astonishingly enough, only due to Obama's standard loyalty to the basic Democratic Party embracement of other social safety net entitlement programs does this give Kmiec any cover.
And I'm saying this mostly because a lot about Obama's real thoughts and (perhaps private pay-offs for campaign support) are beginning to surface. And are you ever correct to point out that we don't have to vote for McCain. With all due respects to his mother, I'm going to hold my nose, but still not vote for this irascible man and his party. THe Grumpy Old Pharisees have lost my vote for a long time. But unlike Kmiec, I'm willing to pull back and say, wait a minute. There's more to this.
But the thing I find also smugly odious is the chummy chum nature of Dionne's plea for his buddy's predicament. Why should Kmiec get a pass? Given his credentials, and they are impressive and well earned, it's simply incredulous that he hasn't backed off a bit if spiking abortion is that paramount to him. I trust that it's "up there," but apparently not as high as getting the junior senator from Illinois in the White House. So, here we have a prominent (hold-over "Reagan conservatives" who haven't caught on to Reagan's other legacy regarding abortion) from Illinois and still touting his GOP membership, no less, going on record for Obama in a big public way.
Kmiec is not "a private citizen." He signed on to a very public letter on behalf of Obama. His impressive resume denies him this cover. You can't build a successful record, bank on it and then expect to be able to hide it when it's not convenient. Kmiec and his friend at the Post are trying to have it both ways on this issue and it won't work. They certainly didn't fool that priest who demonstrated more spiritual street smarts than either Kmiec or Dionne could've predicted. Here's a man who believes his past successes in upholding God's law allows him to sidestep it now because it might be inconvenient during an election year.
Richard Nixon deserves credit for hunting down Alger Hiss and fellow travelling communist traitors subverting the State Department. But that didn't give him any special privileges to break the law later during the onset of the Watergate crisis. I'm not a lawyer or a "trained" political scientist, but you don't need to be one to see the faults in Kmiec's, Nixon's and Dionne's line of reasoning on this. Of all people, Kmiec should've never forgotten St. Thomas More's example of pursuing God's higher law "in and out of season."
Kmiec and Dionne aren't fools. They are not ignorant of their Church's rules and teachings. nor are their (Catholic) readers and apologists. Moreover, if they think the rest of us who follow politics in any way don't know Chicago is one of the greatest back-slappin' back-scratchin' political cities on the planet, then perhaps they should go to their nearest bookstores and find "Urban Politics for Simpletons." First lesson in Chicago-style politics: know what are you in for. In Latin this is translated as "Ubi est mea," or "What's in it for me?"
To think that chameleon-like Douglas Kmiec--who ran with the old, and much more indominitable Mayor Richard J. Daley, and Robert F. Kennedy--doesn't know how to play the game of pay-offs for services rendered, and that he's just in it out of principle ... that would even stump the Father of Lies hissself. And, what a coincidence. The presumptive Democratic nominee comes from what city?
To his credit, Kmiec didn't make a scene, nor did he invite any social retribution upon the priest who denied him communion at the same event the former was invited to speak at. Something funny happened, however, to have produced this "look at what the Church is doing to my friend" sob-column by Dionne. Did Kmiec or any of his other friends feel he'd gone so far to be needing some form of "p.r. damage control"? Or, did somebody on Obama's staff realize they either had a potential problem, or a means of getting back at the Church in a backhanded way by using Dionne?
It reminds me what a wife of a recently elected chairman of the Amherst, MA Regional School Committee did when she and her husband were taking some heat for his carefully choreographed role in expediting a plan to outsource the schools' cafeteria staff completely over to a private vendor; a move which both sides admit will cause these workers considerable financial hardship. The missus got a bit over-heated and banged out a "how dare you" screed which was duly published in the local paper (along with another column, co-authored by her husband, and two other choreographing committee members, no less.) She was not only mightily huffed and put out, but the missus, in her earnest frustration at the effrontery of the local masses' taking exception to her hubby's miscalculations, succeeded only in telling the world that her husband wasn't capable of standing up for himself in a hot political kitchen (either of his or somebody else's making.)
As far I know, kids in this particular school system may have learned what Harry Truman had to say about handling the heat of stress when it came to politics. It's never too late to get this down.
The same goes for abortion in national politics. If you can't stand the heat of the moment, nor be willing to be fully accept the consequences of your choices, signed statements and acts, without relying on your buddies in the fourth estate to cover for you, get the hell out of the kitchen. You'd think a once prominent, now "private citizen," from Chicago would've remembered that by now.
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