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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Wed Feb 21st, 2007 02:37 pm |
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I just noticed that you were Anglican before, and live in the great city where the ECUSA gave its full imprimatur to its prior consecration of Robinson as NH's bishop, gave a thumbs up to blessing gay unions, and voted in Katherine Jefferts-Schori as its first female primate. They sure had a lot of things on their minds as they fumbled towards even more ecclesiastical deconstructionism.
The "low church" and more evangelical wing was outraged when TEC dropped the "through Christ only" teaching about salvation. TEC never dropped the centrality of Jesus for salvation, and their teaching on that edged closer to the more expansive Catholic teachings. But you'd never know that to read the conservative Episcopal blogs. Of course, the PB didn't help matters with her ridiculous "Mother Jesus" comment during her first sermon as PB-elect.
I just for the life of me can't understand why they picked a woman with so little pastoral experience for such an important and demanding job at this crucial moment in their history. Her diocese is smaller than the big conservative Anglican parish in Plano, TX.
If KJS ever thought she could start up any successful gestures of ecumenical cooperation with the Catholics, she blew it by implying how dumb we are compared to those better educated Episcopalians and our relative lack of education leads us to have larger families. Funny how she slammed the two churches outside of the SBC that are really growing by leaps and bounds: RCC and the LDS. She should stick to oceanography and avoid math and demographics.
Actually Jefferts-Schori served to remind Catholics, Mormons and others that some relatively (or too) influential people haven't learned how to shed those old anti-Catholic, etc., canards, especially when it comes to having both brains and large families. My Protestant wife and I are quite proud of our two sons and two daughters who are going to be quite successful despite their "dumber than the Episcopalians" mom and dad.
But you're right Annie, we should pray for them as I'm sure many of them are quite unsure of their church's future and what this will mean to them and their children. It's no fun to watch what one treasures falling apart at the seems, especially for excuseless "reasons" that defy common sense and more importantly, God's laws.
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James Michael Curley to a young Thomas “Tip” O’Neill -- “Son, it’s nice to be important, but it’s more important to be nice.”
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Darlene
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Posted: Wed Feb 21st, 2007 02:44 pm |
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Steven Barrett wrote:
I just for the life of me can't understand why they picked a woman with so little pastoral experience for such an important and demanding job at this crucial moment in their history. Her diocese is smaller than the big conservative Anglican parish in Plano, TX.
Could it be that they are perhaps self-destructive? :?  
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Annie
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| Location: | Columbus, Ohio USA |
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Posted: Wed Feb 21st, 2007 02:56 pm |
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The choice of the presiding bishop was certainly wholly politically motivated, a slap in the face to Canterbury. The Episcopal church wanted to make certain that people knew they intend to spin off from the Anglican Communion unless the Anglicans accept their sexual agenda.
i belonged to a tiny Anglican sect with conservative theology but that ordains women. Their theology was actually like the "Old Catholics." I enjoyed it very much but it was too small, etc. to be helpful. I need to be able to go to church when I travel, etc. There are Catholic churches EVERYWHERE. I am going on vacation to Indian Lake, NY this summer and have already looked up the church there on the internet!
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Wed Feb 21st, 2007 03:37 pm |
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Shawn, I’m so grateful to receive news from the inside of this tornado. Your bishop is acting prudently, but it is not going to solve anything because a moratorium offers only symptomatic relief. The core difficulties, as you say, will continue.
The Anglican version of the three-legged stool, which includes “reason” in place of “magisterium,” is already tottering because human reason cannot stand in the face of God’s “foolishness” (see 1 Corinthians 1:18–25). I too am pessimistic; I fully expect this grand institution to crumble.
What will happen to the remnant? You have spelled it out for us, Shawn: they will scatter, each according to his own prudence. We must pray that the loss of souls will not be great.
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shawnbm
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Posted: Thu Feb 22nd, 2007 08:00 pm |
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| Thank you for your thoughts, David. We will see--September 30th is a long way off, but the missiles are being fired already by the conservative Anglican churches here and the GLBT Episcopal group known as Integrity (the counterpart to either Courage or another similar Catholic group) over whether to honor the Primates' communique and the Presiding Bishop's reflections on the matter. I get the feeling Integrity is going to push hard and will eventually refuse to join in any effort to keep ECUSA in the Anglican Communion if it means permanently suspending the blessing of same-sex relations. They feel that it is unreasonable and totally unjustifiable that Episcopal priests (as well as Catholics, Lutherans and Orthodox) routinely bless inanimate objects under Church authority but refuse to do so with people who are in "life-giving relationships". In today's relativist world, that argument is very persuasive amongst the well-heeled and educated in the Episcopal Church, as I know you are well aware. I think we are headed for schism and, hopefully, not too many souls will be lost. On that note, however, I don't think the Anglican Communion will fall apart if the Episcopal Church goes its own way. To the contrary, it seems to me that the Anglican Communion is seeing the wisdom of having a binding covenant that all members sign off on, something more akin to what the Eastern Orthodox Churches have through their synods and agreements between the various metropolitans and bishops on certain key areas of faith and morals. I don't ever see the Archbishop of Canterbury ever being ceded any kind of jurisdictional power like that enjoyed by the Roman See; although the International Commission of Anglicans and Roman Catholics, ironically enough, recently completed a review of 35 years of theological reflection and study on various issues, including the role of the Roman pontiff in any reunified Church and there is quite a lot to be excited about, at least from some bloggers I have seen cited to. Who knows--maybe the rest of the AC returns, in some form, to Rome after all these years! Shalom.
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2007 11:48 pm |
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shawnbm wrote:…the GLBT Episcopal group known as Integrity (the counterpart to either Courage or another similar Catholic group)…
The group you are thinking of is probably Dignity. Courage is solidly orthodox.
They feel that it is unreasonable and totally unjustifiable that Episcopal priests (as well as Catholics, Lutherans and Orthodox) routinely bless inanimate objects under Church authority but refuse to do so with people who are in "life-giving relationships".
I am having a difficult time seeing how a homosexual relationship could be considered “life-giving.” How do they claim to accomplish this?
I think we are headed for schism and, hopefully, not too many souls will be lost. On that note, however, I don't think the Anglican Communion will fall apart if the Episcopal Church goes its own way.
In other words, you think a single split, separating the liberals from the conservatives, will do it? My heart tells me that there will be something more than that because people on both sides start leaving what’s left whenever a religious body splits; they literally lose faith. Where will Canterbury end up? And what will those without Canterbury do to compensate? Will it affect their credibility and thus their membership?
Finally, the rumors about a possible reunification with Rome have once again proved to be false. This was one of the original items on the docket of the ARCIC ecumenical meetings, but it has never gone anywhere.
David
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