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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 12:11 am |
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  = Douglas Kmiec
You’ve got to see this nonsense from Beliefnet to believe it. In his lead paragraphs highlighting Doug Kmiec’s support of Obama and Kmiec’s latest book, Waldman all but heralds Kmiec as the next Thomas More. I’m neither a lawyer or as highly paid and ensconced in the big leagues of mainstream media, but it sure doesn’t take a lot of training in the latest journalistic techniques and whatever else that’s led Waldman to his point in life. Perhaps more a case of luck and chutzpah; especially when it comes to covering issues close to Catholics’ hearts. As you read on, you can see how woefully ill prepared Waldman is when it comes to demonstrating any capacity to objectively cover abortion, politics and the mysterious mindsets of both Kmiec and his puppet master, Barack Obama.
Forum Poster's Warning: If you have no patience for legalistic excuse-mongering for an horrifically dense politician whose indefensible acts exceed all of the worst acts taken by any Democrat nominated for president from 1976 on -- the following might send you to your medicine cabinet(s) looking for your blood pressure meds.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/09/does-obama-support-the-killing.html
"Does Obama Support the Killing of Infants? (Kmiec on the Born Alive Bill)"
Tuesday September 16, 2008
Steven Waldman, “Author of Founding Faith”
Editor-In-Chief of Beliefnet
It's become standard part of the Republican script to say that Obama supports not only killing of the unborn but of the born. As former Senator Fred Thompson put it during the Republican convention, "We need a President who doesn't think that the protection of the unborn or a newly born baby is above his pay grade". This is a reference to his opposition of the Born Alive bill in the Illinois legislature.-- now the subject of new anti-Obama TV commercials.
It's complicated, and Obama does seem to have dissembled about one bit of legislative history. Here are the official run downs from National Right to Life, the Obama campaign and the non-partisan Factcheck.org. But is it really possible that he supported killing little babies who have survived abortions?
I got new perspective on this issue reading a new book by Douglas Kmiec called, Can a Catholic Support Him? Kmiec is an Obama supporter, but the's a very conservative, pro-life Catholic Republican. He's not only pro-life, he literally was one of the Reagan administration officials who crafted the pro-life legal agenda, including its efforts to overturn Roe v. Wade.
I haven't looked into Kmiec's book yet. But don't you just love the glossing over and crafty connection made by these people of Kmiec with the Reagan administration, as if he still has to mooch off a record he has no right to claim any longer thanks to his recent actions.
Well, Judas was an apostle, and a traitor, as well. But unlike Judas, who had enough of a conscience when he realized what he'd done, that it drove him over the top with his guilt to the point of despair and suicide. Well, we wouldn't wish that on anyone, Kmiec included. But when's this guy going to finally get it back about abortion and just plain get it concerning Obama?
What chilled me was Kmiec's rationalization's for Obama's coolness in the whole matter. When all legislative action was exhausted regarding the infamous "born alive" legislation, Obama just zipped off to something else. Case closed. A "Gone Fishing" sign might as well have been hung on his statehouse office door.
You wouldn't find Congressman Christopher Smith (R-NJ) pull this disreputable conduct. But Obama, his current status notwithstanding, is no where near Smith's league when it comes to character and decency on this issue.
I couldn't quote anything from the book snippets Waldman quoted from. But it's a real eye-popper and heart-breaker.
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JillD
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 12:50 am |
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Can you help us out here by explaining Kmiec's rationale for turning his back on the unborn to support the new messiah, BO?
Is his turncoat behavior worth worrying about?
Fill us in here, or at least fill me in!
Jill
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 01:12 am |
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I am in the midst of reading an essay of Kmiec's in which he seems to like BO because BO can platitudinize with the best of them, including Ronaldus Magnus whom I like (sorry, Steven.) But when I read this line, it's clear to me that my mind will never be on the same plane as Kmiec's:
"but what about a candidate like Obama who is not pro-abortion, but of the view that the civil law best leaves this question to the mother in consultation with their own clergyman and doctor?" http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=27956&page=2
This is so illogical that all I can do is shake my head in dismay. How can one have a discussion with a person who says things like this? BO is not pro-abortion? Who IS, for crying out loud? I mean, I would venture to say that almost NO ONE thinks abortion is a GOOD THING.
OK, tell me, Prof. Kmiec, what is the difference IN TRUTH between being "pro-abortion" and "pro-choice"? There is NO DIFFERENCE.
This is where that essay mentioned in another thread
http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=269
would come in real handy.
Here is where I disagree most vehemently with Kmiec. He puts abortion on par with other social evils and seems to feel that BO will magically make all our problems disappear and since he can do that, his stance on abortion is outweighed by all else. Another quote from his article:
Are there “other important moral issues involving human life and dignity”? The list is long: the death and economic waste associated with an unjustified war in Iraq; failure to be good stewards of the environment; promoting a tax code that favors the wealthy and undermines a family wage; perpetuating an immigration system that divides families and overlooks the exploitation of labor and more.
The war in Iraq
The environment
Taxes
Immigration
These issues he would place above the SLAUGHTER of millions??? And he feels that BO's and McCain's positions are SO vastly different that they negate the lives of the unborn innocent?
This is so unimaginably odd to me that I have to wonder if BO isn't blackmailing him or if his daughter hasn't recently had an abortion or something. It makes no sense.
Steven, I was having a wonderful afternoon, rereading Jane Eyre and forgetting all this C__P. Now my BP is up again!
Ack, back to Thornfield. Mr. Rochester will be coming down the road any minute....
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"I praise you, for I am wondrously made. Wonderful are our works! My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret." Ps 139
"Guard me, O Lord, from the hands of the wicked; preserve me from violent men." Ps 140
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 02:00 am |
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 JILL -- MEA CULPA FOR RUINING YOUR DAY, MEA BIG TIME MAXIMA CULPA...I'M DEEPLY SORRY. NOW GO BACK IMMEDIATELY AND READ JANE EYRE. HAD I EVER KNOWN!
KMIEC (aka THE UNBORNS' JUDAS) REMINDS ME OF SOMEBODY IN GERMANY WHO'D PROBABLY SAY HE NEVER HAD ANYTHING AGAINST JEWS, BUT IF THE FUHRER THOUGHT IT BEST TO COME UP WITH THE NUREMBURG PARTY RALLY LAWS ALLOWING FOR THE LEGAL DISCRIMINATION AGAINST JEWS, MAYBE THE AUSTRIAN AND HIS GANG "HAD REASONS."
EVEN THOUGH THOSE "REASONS" LED STRAIGHT TO DACHAU, E/A.
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 02:16 am |
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Besides the minor detail of his Aryan racism, Hitler was a decent guy, concerned with taxes and immigration and the environment, and he really wasn't PRO-WAR, but he did feel it was a decision made between himself and his god.
PEE-YUKE.
Steven, you and I are on a roll with this thing....
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"I praise you, for I am wondrously made. Wonderful are our works! My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret." Ps 139
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 02:30 am |
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And until the morphine morphed him into a really grumpy old corporal, he was a very snappy dresser. But his tastes ran too much on the brown side. Had a nice place on a mountainside in Bavaria, too. Boy do I know, having stayed a couple of times in an Army-run hotel at Obersalzberg.
Amazing how the wealthy and powerful always manage to distance themselves from their crimes. Well, the consistency's always there, if not truly amazing. Yawohl?
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