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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 10:30 pm |
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I am not savvy enough to create a link directly here, but if someone who is able to do that would go to the Greenville News website, and find the front page article about Father Newman of St. Mary's Church, you will not be disappointed.
Fr. Newman was also given a minute or two on the news tonight to discuss the Church's position on abortion. (The Reader's Digest version is: If a Catholic voted for Obama, they need to receive the sacrament of Penance before receiving the Eucharist.)
I just thought you all might find the article interesting. It is really quite accurate and fair and I was pleasantly surprised!
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 10:41 pm |
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heardclarke wrote:
I am not savvy enough to create a link directly here, but if someone who is able to do that would go to the Greenville News website, and find the front page article about Father Newman of St. Mary's Church, you will not be disappointed.
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is this it?
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008811130314
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 10:58 pm |
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That's it! Thanks for adding the link.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 11:30 pm |
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Here's how the mainstream media reported it; i.e., the usually Catholic-challenged media.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081113/ap_on_re_us/obama_catholics
Fr. Newman's a Parish Priest who knows how to be a PARISH PRIEST! 
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 12:05 am |
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AMEN!
FYI, our famliy of four moved here from Dallas, TX because of this parish, this school, and this priest....and our expectations have been exceeded!
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 04:06 am |
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I was just about to start a new topic here after having read the same article by linking to it from one of the New Oxford Review's "News Links": http://www.newoxfordreview.org
I'm thinking this January's March for Life in Washington will be as important as it ever has been. I'm hoping to make my first trip this year. http://www.marchforlife.org
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 01:56 pm |
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Well done Father! May God raise up many more priests like him - and may Catholics heed their shepherd's teachings. 
This ties in to the first reading (2 Jn) from today's Mass readings:
"Many deceivers have gone out into the world,
those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh;
such is the deceitful one and the antichrist.
Look to yourselves that you do not lose what we worked for
but may receive a full recompense.
Anyone who is so “progressive”
as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God;
whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son."
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 07:18 pm |
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| I am also a parisioner of St. Mary's and am blessed to hear Fr. Newman's homilies as well as his exraordinary singing of the mass each Sunday. He speaks the truth and answers to no one but the Lord. I am proud of what he has said, I pray for him often and know that whatever I hear from him or St. Mary's adheres to the Church's teaching.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 09:03 pm |
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Yes, they had a hard time with the whole concept of penance...I read some of the responses on Yahoo, and the sheer unmitigated rage which many people expressed when confronted with Father's statement was most revealing.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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Clarification: my note above was in reference to Steven's post about the mainstream media's presentation of the story, not Marsha's comment!
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Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 03:31 am |
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heardclarke wrote:
AMEN!
FYI, our famliy of four moved here from Dallas, TX because of this parish, this school, and this priest....and our expectations have been exceeded!
Lisa, you've put a smile on my face. How glorious to hear how happily settled your family is there. Makes me want to move there myself. I don't know, though. CredoCatholic and Intercessor in the same church??? That would be a sight. 
Wish I could hear the music I'm sure your husband is providing.
God bless,
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Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 04:04 am |
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Dear Becky,
Come down for a visit sometime....we have a guest room if you need it!
The music here is still no match for the liturgy, or the preaching. Both are amazing, and I am quickly getting spoiled. We are taking the music step by step. We are delighted to have 2 thriving kids' choirs (about 30 in each group) and several new members in the adult choir as well.
The school is also a good fit for our 2 kids. I'm taking it easy this year and working as an assistant in the 4 yr. old class. That might not seem like "taking it easy," but the kids are delightful.
To anyone who might be interested I recommend the parish website. It is down at the moment but when we get back up you can read the bulletins for each week--most church bulletins are a bit dull, but not ours.
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Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 06:10 am |
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How sweet, Lisa. Thanks.
Tell me, do the people in your church sing all the hymns in unison?
Our hymnals have nothing but the melody line.
Oh, how I miss harmony sometimes after a lifetime of singing in choirs!
This week my confessor conducted a retreat in a nearby town, which I attended. The organist had a booming bass voice and the assistant pastor had a booming tenor voice. I was in heaven, hearing them.
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Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 11:51 am |
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The congregation does sing the hymns in unison for the most part, b/c we have a printed music sheet for each Sunday's music. Thi is b/c Kevin sometimes uses hymns from different hymnals as he chooses the music (of course it's all approved by Fr. Newman as well). We also have the music on that sheet for the people sing the Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus, and Agnus Dei, in Latin (every Sunday at 11:00).
However, in addition to that the choir will do a chant at the opening, the offertory, and Communion. We also do an offertory anthem and a Communion anthem. For Christ the King Sunday we'll attempt  a Haydn mass setting. It should be fun. The Faure Requiem went pretty well for All Souls Day.
Want to come check it out?
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Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 09:05 pm |
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 thought you might find this a tad interesting
Vatican cardinal: Obama is 'Aggressive, Disruptive and Apocalyptic' http://blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/2008/11/vatican-cardinal-obama-is-aggr.html
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Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 09:42 pm |
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Thanks, that's the best news I've seen all day!
We were thinking last night that Fr. Newman might find support from some high places. The cardinal you cited probably hadn't heard about our little tempest here in SC at the time he spoke; but I daresay he will.
In the absence of a bishop here, we have this diocesan administrator who has "repudiated" Fr. Newman's statement to his parish. In response, Father has said that he was acting in good faith according to his conscience; if someone higher up sees fit to correct him, he is prepared to accept that correction.
FYI, Fr. Newman was an undergraduate at Princeton (where he converted) before going to seminary in Rome. He has a degree in canon law. I think he knows what he's doing!
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Heardclarke passed this along:
In the absence of a bishop here, we have this diocesan administrator who has "repudiated" Fr. Newman's statement to his parish. In response, Father has said that he was acting in good faith according to his conscience; if someone higher up sees fit to correct him, he is prepared to accept that correction.
Who the h... is this diocesan administrator -- some well-in-way-over-his head-pencil pusher, think he is when the entire hierachy's taken Obama on directly and didn't waste any time with the nicieties of running their document on the incoming president through he bureacratic wringer?
Our hiearchy put its collective fanny on the line and this lokel-yokel ninny can only wag his finger at a LOYAL priest? How could such a non-leader have been put into a chancery leadership job? This is plain nuts?
I hope this snerdly character's been reported to Pope Benedict, Cardinal Levada, Abp. Burke, and anybody else who can make his life a living hell for the backstabbing move he pulled on Fr. Newman.
We've been doing a good job of cleaning house on the pervert priests, now it's time to clean house on the Benedict Arnolds and other worms undermining Church authority. Surely there are some very obscure dioceses and parishes to dump these guys in to; some where internet service is only as good as the computers that have reoly on gas-driven portable power generators and the bishop has a rule where gas for making sure the chancery's yard is a much higher priority than this former "diocesan administrator's" computer privileges.
On the other hand, why should their bishops and faithful people have to put up these snerdlies?
A priest can't be defrocked for being a dumb jerk. On the other hand, he can be made to wish he'd finally learn what being a team player (on Rome's lines ONLY) is. Time for some hellish lessons in discipline.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Steven....
Went by the church today for a minute (b/c I forgot something in my classroom yesterday) and guess what? I saw people gathered across the street facing the west door with a big sign. I assumed they were pro-choice at first -- but I WAS WRONG.
The sign said: The Church is Pro-Life! I had my son with me, and my daughter was home alone, so I had to leave, but I am coming in early tomorrow for Mass and bringing my warmest coat, because I plan to join them!
GO TEAM!!!
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Thank you Lisa,
That guy must've really frosted you because it's warm up here in N.E. (where we're kinda used to such ninnies, alas) but that's soon to end as I've just been told there's a Tornado watch for my county, which happens to be one, if not THE most liberal county in the country per-capita based on the number of kooks.
Sounds like a weather report of "biblical proportions." 
Perhaps HE's not having a good day and no wonder, if HIS own church can't get it's act together South, North, West (and what little East) we have left.  But unfortunately, it's the ninnies on the Far East and Far Western coastlines that've done the MOST DAMAGE, notwithstanding the stalwart efforts of Cardinals Egan, O'Malley and Wuerl ... the former two moreso than the last to undo the messes caused by mixed signals sent by well-meaning but short-sighted "leaders," including one now, (THANK GOD) retired Cardinal whose name I need not mention.
S.
PS I haven't poked into his blog, but I can only imagine what Fr. Dwight Longenecker has to say about that bureaucrat-in-black.  Cd. Bernardin must be GYRATING in his grave, being the good native son of Columbia he was.
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| I could not really understand what the administrator was saying. He started off repudiating Fr. Newman's statement. Then he proceeded to say the catholic believer has the freedom to make moral decisions using an informed concience that MUST be based upon the teaching of the church. Then he clearly stated the teaching of the church on abortion. So it looks like he actually supported Fr. Newman. The only thing he added is that we should pray for our political leaders, which is a directive in holy scripture. Last edited on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 12:46 am by tedjenczewski
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We're supposed to have a low around 35 tomorrow and it'll be windy.
Kevin said the Pastor got a standing ovation at the 5:00 Mass today, which was packed. He isn't used to that; we are normally very formal here during the liturgy. There was also a group saying the Rosary on his behalf over in the parish hall.
Personally, I think we should all sign a letter to that diocesan administrator THANKING him for reminding us that we were entitled to follow our well-formed consciences!
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Dear Ted,
Believe me, he was not being supportive. You see, Fr. Newman had already said, in his statement last Sunday, that we must all pray for Obama as our new President-elect, and cooperate with him whenever our conscience does not dictate otherwise. That was the conclusion of his original letter to us. It makes me wonder if the Monsignor actually read the whole letteror just the part that was in the paper.
Also, many people have wondered why this came out now instead of before the election, as if they thought Fr. Newman had sprung this on us after Obama won. But Fr. did talk openly (and even graphically) before the election about the Church's teaching on abortion; and he said that behavior such as Pelosi's and Biden's constituted grave matter. We are accustomed to his no-nonsense style. While it isn't always easy to live up to his expectations, we know he wants what is best for us.
No, for whatever well-intentioned reason, the DA has made a mistake, I think. The parish seems to be galvanized into showing support for Fr. Newman now. They were very enthused at the 5:00 Mass. It's the monsignor's credibility that is being lost.
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I attended the rosary at 4:00 in the parish hall, it was quite moving, some people cried. I don't know if it was for Fr. Newman or the babies being aborted.
Then I went over to the church for the 5:00 mass, it was full and I saw a few people that I know are members of other parishes. Fr. Newman did not repeat anything that he said last week in the bulletin. There were a few light comments about the situation that brought laughter, then he said a few words about it and the congregation stood for an ovation. He was moved, and at one point became very emotional, which is unusual for him, as he talked about his love for Jesus, and his service to the Lord. He is a very intelligent and highly educated man, and I admire him for holding fast to what is true. He could certainly use your prayers as he has received many many unkind E-mails, even from abroad.
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Intercessor wrote: Lisa, you've put a smile on my face. How glorious to hear how happily settled your family is there. Makes me want to move there myself. I don't know, though. CredoCatholic and Intercessor in the same church??? That would be a sight.
Wish I could hear the music I'm sure your husband is providing.
God bless,
Becky
I sure would like to have you sitting beside me every Sunday! Come on down and check it out. We can show them what good catholics ex-baptists can be!
Yes, you should hear the music Lisa's husband is providing. As good as I've heard on TV, the choir is outstanding. Mass at St. Mary's is just not like mass I've seen anyplace else. I thank Fr. Newman for that.
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Pani Rose wrote: Vatican cardinal: Obama is 'Aggressive, Disruptive and Apocalyptic'
This kind of reminds me of what Pope John Paul II said about President Clinton: “He doesn’t listen.”
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