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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Tue Jan 2nd, 2007 12:24 am |
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I thought other's might comment on their thoughts about Capital Punishment. I've never been able to reconcile my thoughts on it. The commandments are so clear, Yet as a society we have the right to protect ourselves for the good of all humanity.
I understand that this man's crimes on humanity are of the deepest, darkest and evilist. I've tried to think in regards to the families whom have lost their loved ones at the hands of his murdering rampage's. But I just don't know that I can honestly say that we have the right & should Kill him.
The Cammandment "Tho Shall Not Kill" Seems so cut & dry, Plain & Clear. And to "Love Thy Neighbor as yourself". But does this still hold for a dangerous Evil criminal as Hitler, Hussein Serial Killers.?
I've prayed a great deal about this and am not really sure exactly what position I should hold, Although in the back of my mind, I lean toward standing firm on "Tho shall not kill" and except the fact that I must leave it up to our Lord to decide when & where these people die & we should leave them in prison to protect society?
I find it very disturbing that the media shows people cheering and celebrating these people's death. But I've also never lived somewhere and been a victum to their evil.
Just some thoughts
Betty
VATICAN CITY, JAN. 1, 2007 (Zenit.org).- In the wake of the execution of former Iraqi dictator Sadaam Hussein, the Vatican reaffirmed its condemnation of the death penalty.
Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, director of the Vatican press office, made that comment Saturday, the day Hussein was executed by hanging at a former military intelligence headquarters in Baghdad's Shiite neighborhood of Kazimiyah.
"A capital execution is always tragic news," he said, "reasons for sadness, even if it is about a person who has been guilty of grave crimes."
Father Lombardi added: "To kill the guilty one is not the way to rebuild justice and to reconcile society. The risk also exists that, on the contrary, the spirit of vengeance will be fueled and new violence be sown.
"In this dark time of the life of the Iraqi people one cannot but hope that all those responsible will make every effort so that in a dramatic situation channels of reconciliation and peace will finally be opened."
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Last edited on Tue Jan 2nd, 2007 12:26 am by BettyBoopToo
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Tue Jan 2nd, 2007 12:51 am |
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I’m not very familiar with Islam, but it appears Muslims have no equivalent to the Ten Commandments. The Law of Talion seems to be their basic rule. Thus thieves have their hands cut off, blasphemers have their tongues cut out, adulterers are stoned and murderers are hanged.
The fact that the Vatican is speaking out here should undoubtedly be seen in light of the furor over Pope Benedict’s recent speech which used Muslim barbarity in general as an example of what Christianity must oppose when it condemns religious violence in all its forms.
Considering Saddam Hussein’s fallen condition once he was toppled from power, I would not have had any objection to a life sentence rather than a death sentence. He wasn’t going anywhere.
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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 11:17 pm |
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Considering Saddam Hussein’s fallen condition once he was toppled from power, I would not have had any objection to a life sentence rather than a death sentence. He wasn’t going anywhere.
This is exactly what I believe. I know the families of his victims have suffered horribly, But I don't believe they will find healing through acting out in violence. The healing they need, I believe is: Can only be received by God through his son Jesus Christ.
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I’m not very familiar with Islam, but it appears Muslims have no equivalent to the Ten Commandments. The Law of Talion seems to be their basic rule. Thus thieves have their hands cut off, blasphemers have their tongues cut out, adulterers are stoned and murderers are hanged.]
I'm not very familiar either. I do wish Mohamed would have left some commandments less violent though. It is so tragic that these people have lived in such violence for so long.
Thank You for your comments David, They're always appriceated.
Betty
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steppenwolf1218
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Posted: Thu Jan 4th, 2007 04:13 am |
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Typically, I am not in favor of capitol punishment but in the case of Sadam Hussein, he was unrepentant. I won't claim to be an expert on Islam but I know enough about it to realize Sadam would have claimed victory over his accusers if he had received a life sentence as he did with the Gulf War. In the Gulf War he took on a larger adversary and lived. That was the only prerequisite for his victory claim. It didn't matter how many of his people were killed nor did it matter that his forces were pushed out of Kuwait. All that mattered was that he lived through it. That's the mentality we were dealing with. To have allowed him to live would have given him opportunity to continue in his ways. Sadam was never one to count out of anything. He has been put out of power before and came back. Somehow, he would have found a way to come back from this.
We need to be remorseful over a soul that was lost. We also need to realize that this was an action that was necessarry to take. Now that it's been taken it needs to be put behind us and move on. Sadam's judgment is in the hands of God now. What that judgment is, is not for us to know.
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JasPax
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Posted: Thu Jan 4th, 2007 02:07 pm |
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Altough I am generally opposed to capital punishment in the U.S. and in other countries with a sound rule of law, in this case it may have been necessary.
Note that the Catechism (2267) does not completely rule out this method of punishment. If Saddam had been sentenced to a life in prison, could we be sure that in a few years (or months), one group or another would have set him free? In an area in such turmoil, nothing can be excluded.
If the U.S. kept control of him, that would only have increased the risk of further violence against our interests.
We can agree that it should have been done in a more humane manner.
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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Fri Jan 5th, 2007 02:24 am |
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Thank You Both for your replies, It gives me some more to consider.
It would be a horrific tragedy if he'd of been set free.
God Bless
Betty
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