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Posted: Fri Nov 30th, 2007 08:52 pm |
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What does the Church mean when a person is excommunicated? Does it mean that person is going to hell?
The word excommunicate comes from Latin. The prefix ex- means from, while communicare means to communicate. So the literal translation of the word means (to exclude) from communication.
Every facet of society has a form of excommunication. Criminals are excommunicated from society by locking them in prison. Unruly students are excommunicated from class by being sent to the principal's office. Club members who violate rules of behavior are expelled from membership. Family members who behave in an unacceptable manner are not invited to family gatherings.
As far as the Catholic faith is concerned, Fr. John Dietzen, writing for the Catholic News Service, says that "an excommunicated person is forbidden any liturgical ministry in the Mass or other public worship of the Church and may not receive any of the sacraments".
Fr. Dietzen writes, "Excommunication may be automatic or applied in individual cses by a proper Church authority. Present Catholic law provides automatic excommunication for only seven serious offenses: desecration of the Blessed Sacrament, doing physical violence to the pope, (for priests) absolving an accomplice in sin, (for bishops) consecrating another bishop without mandate from the pope, direct violation of the seal of the confessional, procuring a successful abortion, and rejecting the church through heresy, apostasy, or schism."
He cites 1 Corinthians 5 as a biblical example of excommunication and adds, "It is also essential to remember that such severe penalties, whether in the New Testament itself or in church law, are intended for the good of the community and for the healing of the one who has sinned against that community. Thus no excommunication or other punishment is permanent and irrevocable. It always includes the invitation to repentance and return."
He also adds that certain conditions, such as age, fear, and ignorance, can mitigate the circumstances and avoid the penalties, and in no case does excommunication apply to anyone under 18, and no penalty applies to anyone under 16.
Excommunication is not the same as "shunning" which is practiced in some communities. At no time is a person excluded from family or social activities, and Catholics are expected to treat the excommunicated person with love and compassion. However, the excommunicated individual is excluded from the liturgical and sacramental life of the Church, as well as from the Church's teaching ministry.
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Posted: Sat Dec 1st, 2007 06:47 pm |
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Excellent.
Here's some more material along these lines:
Bertrand L. Conway, The Question Box, New York: The Paulist Press, 1929 [33 years before Vatican II began], 205: Neither excommunication nor anathemas imply the Church's condemning anyone to hell. That is the prerogative of God alone. Excommunication is a Church law, excluding a notorious sinner from the communion of the faithful (Canons 2257-2267). Its purpose is to warn the sinner of the danger he runs of incurring eternal ruin, unless he repent of his sin. The "delivering of the sinner to Satan," which we find in the Roman Pontifical, is based on the words of St. Paul, who delivered the incestuous sinner to Satan, "that his spirit might be saved in the Day of the Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Cor. 5:5; cf. 1 Tim. 1:20). . . . When St. Paul said "let him be anathema" who preaches an heretical gospel (Gal. 1:8), he did not condemn the heretic to hell, but stigmatized the willful teacher of false doctrines as a rebel against the Gospel of Christ. The Church, in the anathemas which accompany the canons of her Councils, merely imitates the example of the Apostle.
John A. Hardon, S.J., Modern Catholic Dictionary, Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Co., 1980, "Anathema," 24, and "Excommunication," 200: Solemn condemnation, of biblical origin, used by the Church to declare that some position or teaching contradicts Catholic faith and doctrine. An ecclesiastical censure by which one is more or less excluded from communion with the faithful. It is also called anathema, especially if it is inflicted with formal solemnities on persons notoriously obstinate to reconciliation . . . In general, the effects of excommunication affect the person's right to receive the sacraments, or Christian burial, until the individual repents and is reconciled with the Church . . . (Etym. Latin ex=, from + communicare, to communicate: excommunicatio, exclusion from a community.)
Kevin Orlin Johnson, Why Do Catholics Do That? A Guide to the Teachings and Practices of the Catholic Church, New York: Ballantine Books, 1994, 52: But we should note at this point that the Church has never condemned anybody, never said solemnly that so-and-so is in Hell. She can't, because that would be contrary to her mission. No Christian can, in fact, because we're supposed to judge as we would be judged. The Church can excommunicate somebody, and always has (1 Cor 5:9-12, for instance), but that's different. It means announcing publicly that this person has acted so scandalously that he cannot receive the sacraments; this allows -- even calls for -- reconciliation. And even if the person dies excommunicated, the Church prays God to forgive him.
Karl Keating, What Catholics Really Believe: Setting the Record Straight: 52 Answers to Common Misperceptions About the Catholic Faith, San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1992; reprinted in 1995, #5: "The Catholic Church sends people to hell by excommuniucating them" (pp. 17-18): It doesn't. Only God can condemn anyone to hell. That isn't within the Church's power, and no Catholic ever claimed it was. The Church's role is to help people to heaven by teaching and sanctifying. Of course, people can ignore the teaching and reject the grace. If they do and end up in hell, they go there by their own choice. Excommunication is a Church penalty which excludes a notorious sinner or someone grossly disobedient from the communion of the faithful. It doesn't mean the person ceases to be a Christian. its purpose is to warn the individual that he risks losing his soul unless he repents.
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