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kidminuszero
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 01:26 am |
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Judg 11:30-31
Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: "If you deliver the Ammonites into my power," he said, "whoever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites shall belong to the LORD. I shall offer him up as a holocaust."
Wow, Jephthah's daughter came out, and he did as he had vowed. He killed her.
The lesson that I learn from this reading is, becareful of what you promise to the LORD, for He may or may not be in agreement with your vows and oaths you make in faith.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 12:16 pm |
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kidminuszero wrote: Wow, Jephthah's daughter came out, and he did as he had vowed. He killed her.
I thought he sent her away to a temple or something.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 12:18 pm |
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kidminuszero wrote: ..... I shall offer him up as a holocaust."
Wow, Jephthah's daughter came out, and he did as he had vowed. He killed her.
He must have not been too bright if he could not tell a "him" from a "her"!!!
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 02:49 pm |
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The important thing to remember about the Book of Judges is that is a downward spiral.
The basic pattern of the book is:
1 - The Israelites fall into sin and go chasing after strange gods.
2 - Judgement comes to the Israelites in the form of conquest and oppression by the pagans around them.
3 - The Israelites cry out to the true God for help.
4 - God raises up a Judge to free them.
5 - The Israelites then forget all about God and go right back into sin an idoloatry.
This cycle repeats over and over again in that book but each depth of sin is deeper and each restoration to righteousness is not quite as high. Each successive Judge is less holy than the last one Jephthah is a classic example of this - A man who spoke foolishly before the Lord and then, instead of taking the heat himself and just breaking his vow, he makes his daughter pay the price. Jephthah didn't have to sacrifice her. He could have come before the Lord and said that he spoke foolishly and surely the Lord would not want such a sacrifice. Sure... knowing the OT... he probably would have been struck down with boils or stoned to death or something similarly nasty... and rightly so... but he would have been the one bearing the just punishment of his own sin. Instead, the man wrings his hands and says, "Oh woe is me!" and murders his own daughter, "for the Lord."
Long and short, not everything you see the Judges do is something to be emulated.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 11:58 pm |
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| There is nothing explicitly in the text that he killed her.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 01:07 am |
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What about v. 39 of that chapter? "[He] did with her according to the vow which he had made."
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 02:13 am |
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JillD wrote: What about v. 39 of that chapter? "[He] did with her according to the vow which he had made."
And what was that vow, do you think sacrifice always involves physical death? She told her friends to mourn w/her for she will never know a man, that does not necessarily mean she was going to die.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 02:37 am |
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Hmmm.... Well he said he would offer whoever comes out the door for a burnt offering. Is there any other way to offer a burnt offering than by burning up the offering?
And in v. 40, the daughters of Israel went year by year to lament the daughter of Jephthah.
What else could it be??
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