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Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 10:05 pm |
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<<<We interrupt this weekend with a special news alert:
This morning, Pope Benedict called together all the heads of the Roman Curia. The meeting had not been previously announced; the subject was not disclosed.>>>
Someone sent this to me this evening. Did anybody else get it?
What does the breeze or the tom-toms tell you Rick?
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Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 10:40 pm |
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BodRod wrote: <<<We interrupt this weekend with a special news alert:
This morning, Pope Benedict called together all the heads of the Roman Curia. The meeting had not been previously announced; the subject was not disclosed.>>>
Someone sent this to me this evening. Did anybody else get it?
I got it. It was an alert from Catholic World News. We'll have to wait to see what happens. It could be the long-awaited instruction on Latin masses.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 10:58 pm |
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cajunrick wrote:
I got it. It was an alert from Catholic World News. We'll have to wait to see what happens. It could be the long-awaited instruction on Latin masses.
That is not very encouraging, Rick. Didn't it take "them" around 400 years to make up their minds regarding PART the role of the Holy Spirit and our relationship to and with it?
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 12:08 am |
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BodRod wrote: cajunrick wrote:
I got it. It was an alert from Catholic World News. We'll have to wait to see what happens. It could be the long-awaited instruction on Latin masses.
That is not very encouraging, Rick. Didn't it take "them" around 400 years to make up their minds regarding PART the role of the Holy Spirit and our relationship to and with it?
I don't understand. We have written in several threads and posted articles from various sources discussing a proposed letter from the Holy Father giving permission for priests to use the mass of the 1962 Roman Missal. It was a legitimate liturgy for so many years that the current Holy Father is apparently considering whether it should be retained within the liturgical treasury of the Church.
I am not aware of any other time in the past when a liturgy was allowed on one Sunday and forbidden on the next. Maybe the reasons were valid when it happened, but perhaps there should have been a more gradual transition.
In the Eastern Churches, some of the liturgies date back more than a millennium with only minor revisions. I don't have a problem with its reinstatement as part of the liturgical tradition. I don't believe it should become the norm, and I don't believe it will. There is room in the Latin Rite for both the mass of Pope Paul VI and the earlier, so-called "Tridentine" mass.
But that is only my opinion, on one of the many issues the Holy Father has not requested my thoughts about. So we wait and see.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 10:11 am |
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Whoa, slow down, Rick; you lost me. Maybe I have a mis-understanding of the role of the Roman Curia. I guess I, with the rest of the world, will just have to wait. 
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 02:55 pm |
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BodRod wrote: Whoa, slow down, Rick; you lost me. Maybe I have a mis-understanding of the role of the Roman Curia. I guess I, with the rest of the world, will just have to wait.
The Curia is basically the Vatican beaurocracy. The Catholic Encyclopedia at New Advent defines the Roman Curia as:
Strictly speaking, the ensemble of departments or ministries which assist the sovereign pontiff in the government of the Universal Church. These are the Roman Congregations, the tribunals, and the offices of Curia (Ufficii di Curia).
The heads of the Congregations and many other departments are cardinals who serve as first-line advisors to the pope; basically, his cabinet. So a meeting of the heads of the Curia is not unusual; however, they are normally scheduled in advance and have a known agenda. This surprise meeting is exceptional because it is just that: a surprise, with no known agenda.
Let's suppose the pope has decided to broaden permission to perform Latin masses (purely a speculation on my part, in order to draw an example). Those members of the Curia who deal with liturgy will be concerned about the liturgical calendar, the cycle of readings, the use of the Last Gospel and the prayers that used to be mandated at the end of mass, rules regarding dress, etc. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith will be concerned that priests who prefer Latin will not deprive their congregations of the vernacular. Others may worry about usurping the authority of the local ordinary. Someone will have to publish and approve the edition of the Roman Missal that will have to be re-published if modifications are introduced to the original liturgy. There are probably a hundred or a thousand little things that have to be decided, and since the Curia will be involved in implementing and enforcing the rules, they have to be involved in the planning and aware of the ramifications.
Of course, the meeting may have had nothing to do with the Latin mass. Tomorrow (4/16/07) is the pope's birthday; maybe someone ordered him a cake. Or he might have wanted to discuss plans for the mass today (4/15/07) to commemmorate his election to the papacy and his birthday. Or he might be planning to announce the canonization of Blessed Teresa or the advancement of the cause for canonizing John Paul II. There are a million other things he could be meeting with them about. I notice a day later no announcements have been forthcoming, and nothing has leaked. That leads me to believe it is not significant.
We shall see.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 03:19 pm |
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| Ah ha! I was right! I did have a mis-understanding of the role of the curia, the personnel involved and the situation. Thanks.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 03:21 pm |
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BodRod wrote: Ah ha! I was right! I did have a mis-understanding of the role of the curia, the personnel involved and the situation. Thanks.
If I may ask, what did you think?
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 03:58 pm |
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I remember from his election day that his brother had mentioned the Pope's age and the condition of his health. Also, I had confused the curia with the college of cardinals. A combination of the two concepts, made me wonder if he was getting ready to abdicate. If so, I did not like that idea. I see a lot of John Paul II in him and I like that. For example: his face lights up when young people approach him which I interprete to mean that he can relate to a broad spectrum of ages and stages of spiritual development. Also, he seems reasonably (read "agrees with me") conservative.
I appreciate you helping me out in this matter.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 04:42 pm |
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BodRod wrote: I had confused the curia with the college of cardinals.
OK, I see the confusion. A priest or bishop must submit his letter of retirement at age 75 (which the pope may or may not accept; John Paul II did not accept Cardinal Ratzinger's retirement at age 75). A cardinal cannot vote past his 80th birthday. However, John Paul II made it clear that did not apply to the pope, who is the sole determiner of his ability to govern the Church. Resignations from the papacy have been rare, and it's doubtful that our current Holy Father (who by all reports is in excellent health, by the way) is going to resign any time soon.
"Curia" is a church term that basically means "bureaucracy". There is a diocesan curia also, although it may be known by a different term. When cardinals get together to elect a new pope, it's known as a "conclave". When they are called into session to advise the pope, it's known as a "consistory". Don't feel bad if you don't know all the jargon; I had to look up the difference between "conclave" and "consistory" for this message!
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 12:22 am |
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cajunrick wrote: John Paul II made it clear that did not apply to the pope, who is the sole determiner of his ability to govern the Church.
Let me point out in response to this statement I made that the pope is not required for normal governance of the Church. He has set policies in place, and decisions are normally made by those to whom he has delegated authority. He does approve many decisions in which his approval is not required. If the Holy Father should become senile (highly unlikely with the current pope, but not impossible at some time in the future), those matters that have been delegated would continue without interruption; those matters in which his personal involvement are needed would be placed on hold. The Church never hurries, so a wait of a month or a year or a decade would not likely cause serious problems.
Of course, the Church would be poorer for being a ship on autopilot, but the Holy Spirit would protect her from serious incident.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 12:18 pm |
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A news article has finally been published on the meeting. You'll find it in Religion in the News.
Please take any further discussion to that thread.
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