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Posted: Sat May 5th, 2007 09:36 pm |
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if Joel Osteen would come Home to the Catholic Church? I would just love to see him on The Journey Home, with Marcus Grodi. I have nothing against him personally. That being said:
I see a lot of the word "you" in his book titles and others like them. "I" "Me" "Mine" "You" Improve your life. Improve your relationships. Improve your prayer time. Improve your - fill in the blank. I'm thinking about the title of his latest: "Become a Better You...7 keys to improving your life" Well, for me (oops, there I go!  ) the 7 Sacraments are just that! Hands down! Bar none! The keys were handed to Peter, our first Pope. Now we know where the 'buck stops' and don't have to float adrift on a sea of "mega-church madness." I don't mean this as a hammering of Joel, per se. It's just that I see so much 'consumerism' in this whole mega church phenomena that it's almost nauseating to me. It's bad enough to have to live in this time with 'materialism run amok' and 'unbridled consumerism' attacking and assaulting our senses and our religion. It's a battle we have to fight everyday. I for one want the blessed quiet of a sanctuary on a Sunday, or the uplifting gregorian chant or some of the more subdued hymns at this time of my life. I don't want videos on a "JUMBO TRON" and a 15 piece band blasting away choruses that would give my dear Grandmother a headache, or a heart attack...and me, too, now. I guess I've grown old and stodgy? I'm like the Catholic Church it would seem, a 'walking antique.' Old, stodgy and traditional. But I'm filled with more LIFE than I ever knew I could contain. The Bread of Heaven, the Blood of our Saviour is more than enough for me.
I sometimes want to hide in a room or become a nun (do they have "Nun Reserves?") It could be like in the Army. Where I could be a nun-for-a-day or weekend & 2 weeks a year. They do have a "Be a monk for a weekend" at a monastery near us, but it's mostly for men to do physical labor. Still....Wouldn't that be sweet? To be completely rid of the clamoring crowd for a couple of days a month! The frenzied folk who crave only more entertainment and worshiping God "your way" the "Burger King of Kings Worship service." I'm not judging this man's heart and wouldn't attempt to, but more and more I just see how all of these places seem to feed egos more than souls. I could be wrong. If so, I'm sorry. I'm not angry but just sometimes sad that the only way some can draw a gathering is to be "up" on the latest technology and where reverence is a word no longer heard. There's no such thing as a 'holy hush' in these places. I know, I've been there, done that for 26 years. It's sad and it must grieve our Lord's heart and our Lady's. Do you think they're ever quiet enough to really hear God on a Sunday? Some might be, I don't doubt their Christianity at all, or their love for the Lord, but I do find it hard to quiet my soul at Mass sometimes. How much more distracting can all the "hoopla" be? I'm going to buy Teresa Tomeo's book, NOISE and I might even take it to our old stomping, hand-clapping church and add it to their bookstore collection, 'cause believe me, it got to be mostly a lot of 'noise' out there. Constant noise. But, then again... if they have Starbucks...? Oh PUHLEEESE! Is this what a house of worship has finally come to??? "If you build it, and serve cappucino, they will come?"
Before a kiss, there's always silence. The Mass is Heaven bending down and kissing Earth. It's Our Lord giving us Himself as we give Him ourselves. The Eucharist. The SOURCE AND SUMMIT of our Catholic faith. Before one receives Jesus into their body through their mouth, there's silence. Holy stillnes. Even if there's a communion song being sung, it's a whole different world than where we used to gather. Actually now, we love going to Sunday Mass at 7:00 a.m. just because there's NO MUSIC! Isn't that a switch!? I like that God does the talking through the priest to me, and sometimes it's only a few short minutes, but God has said more through any priest to my heart and soul in a short time, than all the 45 min. + sermons I used to hear and had to buy the tape to hear again...(that we seldom ever did listen to again.) So we have a bunch of old cassettes in a drawer that maybe were nice messages, but they didn't last me through the week, as does the BODY AND BLOOD, SOUL AND DIVINITY of JESUS! I go every day if at all possible, just because I need the grace! I need Jesus inside me, transforming me so that I can become a better wife, mother, sister, friend and not so dependent on 'things of this world.'
It was interesting to hear Michael Cumbie talk today (on EWTN) about how the altars were removed and the pulpits began to be "front and center" in Puritan and other Protestant churches after the Reformation. Now in some places, it's not the pulpit but the Jumbo Tron screen and the preacher with the headset so he can roam around...yes, THE STAGE. Hmm. Back in the Puritan days, it wasn't about sacrifice and Christ anymore, as much as the 'minister' the 'preacher' the "sermon" or now sometimes called the "message" from the "book"..... people of The Book and yet they ignore or even discard what Jesus himself established as the way to 'feed us' and become One with us. Mega Music? Mega churches? No thanks. I'll pass . . .and go to Mass.
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Posted: Sat May 5th, 2007 11:39 pm |
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Pity me, Susie. I work in advertising.
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Posted: Sun May 6th, 2007 02:58 am |
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Prayerie Pal wrote: The Mass is Heaven bending down and kissing Earth.
Susie, this is one of the simplest and most profound statements I've ever seen. It's beauty is it's simplicity, and yet it contains so much truth. With you're permission, I'll borrow and use it liberally.
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Posted: Sun May 6th, 2007 04:48 am |
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Susie
I to enjoyed your post very much! I've not got much experience with the mega churches but just observing a few on tv makes me cringe. Truly not for me.
I too wish they had nun-reserves, ((((giggle)))) I've not hurd that one before.
I do know that you can look up sites at different convents & retreat houses that are normally (around here) run by a group of sisters and they will let you come for a 3-4 day retreat for a small fee to help with the cost. Our priest encourages everyone men & woman to go on retreat once a year. Our womans group rents a camping location and a lodge for a summer womans retreat. Normally father goes to where ever the retreat and says mass for all the ladies on Saturday night of the retreat. I'd really enjoy attending one of these some day. I've heard great things from all the other ladies.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Praise Jesus that you've come home to him and all of us.
God bless'
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Posted: Sun May 6th, 2007 01:35 pm |
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Our womans group rents a camping location and a lodge for a summer womans retreat. Normally father goes to where ever the retreat and says mass for all the ladies on Saturday night of the retreat. I'd really enjoy attending one of these some day.
WOW! I would LOVE to attend out there in gorgeous Washington!! Too bad our friends don't live in Mukilteo anymore! 
Thank you for your kind words. I love this forum and it's been a great blessing to "e-troduce" myself and meet all of you here as well.
I do go to a Benedictine Monastery in Norfolk NE, every month for an oblate meeting, (I'm currently a candidate) and I usually stay over a night or sometimes, 2  I just love it there, and the sisters are the epitome of HOSPITALITY and are so gracious and welcoming. Which reminds me, of the other thread going (Why I became Catholic and why I will always be Catholic) if Darlene is visiting here, I would suggest to you that you make a retreat at a monastery like the one I visit and meet some sisters....there you'll find JESUS WITH SKIN ON!
Bless you BBT!
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Posted: Sun May 6th, 2007 01:42 pm |
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Susie, this is one of the simplest and most profound statements I've ever seen. It's beauty is it's simplicity, and yet it contains so much truth. With you're permission, I'll borrow and use it liberally.
Hi Caje,
Please, borrow and use as liberally as you would like. I am just blessed to offer even a simple statement or phrase or a few little words that I always pray after sending posts and emails that the "Child Jesus" will bless anything I say that can help or bring comfort of laughter or a smile to someone else, and He always answers my prayer! I also have a bust of Mary in beautifully carved olive wood that is right by my monitor and though I don't always 'consciously speak' to Mary before I write, I pray to her a general prayer for all correspondence to be pleasing to Her and our Lord. Sometimes I fail and make errors and sometimes I 'm not clear enough. But that's when I know I need to pause and pray....She's good at reminding me.
Thanks Caje and bless you!
susie
I like to call you "Caje" it reminds me of my favorite character on COMBAT! Remember that show? BOY!!! Am I old or what!!?!???? 
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Posted: Sun May 6th, 2007 01:44 pm |
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Pity me, Susie. I work in advertising.
David, just know I will be praying for you! Advertising huh? YIPES!! I will go before the Lord today and offer up a prayer for you and all in the biz. That has got to be very difficult at times.
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Posted: Sun May 6th, 2007 02:42 pm |
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In the public mind, advertising often gets lumped with politics as probably the “dirtiest” of professions. Actually, I long ago consulted with several priests over the possibilities of sinful implication, and they all told me that my end of things (graphic arts, translation, copy editing and related technology) in a regional saturation coverage publication would not “infect” me with anything the advertiser himself may have had in mind, and there’s not much of that. I have seen much worse fare in other media. I cancelled my cable television service several years ago because both programming and advertising had become offensive. I can get EWTN via the internet, and that’s all I really care about.
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Posted: Sun May 6th, 2007 03:00 pm |
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You know, that's sounds like a great idea! I wonder if my husband would concur? I like the old classics on TCM, and some old shows on TV land, and EWTN. That's all I ever watch now and I used to be a FOX NEWS junkie since they started back in 96? I don't watch the news anywhere anymore, and only get some news on radio on KVSS here in Omaha or a little of Rush or Laura Ingraham, but not like the old days. I don't listen to the talk shows on radio either only KVSS http://www.kvss.com and every now and then for maybe an hour I'll listen to him or her just to get a glimpse of what's going on. I just can't stand the news and politics and I was a big junkie of both!
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Posted: Mon May 7th, 2007 03:27 am |
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Prayerie Pal wrote: Our womans group rents a camping location and a lodge for a summer womans retreat. Normally father goes to where ever the retreat and says mass for all the ladies on Saturday night of the retreat. I'd really enjoy attending one of these some day.
WOW! I would LOVE to attend out there in gorgeous Washington!! Too bad our friends don't live in Mukilteo anymore!
Thank you for your kind words. I love this forum and it's been a great blessing to "e-troduce" myself and meet all of you here as well.
I do go to a Benedictine Monastery in Norfolk NE, every month for an oblate meeting, (I'm currently a candidate) and I usually stay over a night or sometimes, 2 I just love it there, and the sisters are the epitome of HOSPITALITY and are so gracious and welcoming. Which reminds me, of the other thread going (Why I became Catholic and why I will always be Catholic) if Darlene is visiting here, I would suggest to you that you make a retreat at a monastery like the one I visit and meet some sisters....there you'll find JESUS WITH SKIN ON!
Bless you BBT!
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Prairie pal
I do have some sister's that we have a close relationship with, they are quite a blessing and I love them dearly.
They invite my mother, sister & I to come to their home to celebrate mass in they're private chapel once a month and they are just the best.
Your right, Jesus with Skin! that's cute.
I feel so honered to have these three ladies as friends, I think everyone should be able to have a relationship with the sisters, they have so much to teach and offer. Amazing ladies.http://olpretreat.org/ I had been considering this retreat house that's not that long of a trip from home. I thought I might be able to get my health inorder enough to make a retreat one day. I thought this looked nice. I'd actually like to take a silent one for about 3-4 days. That would be perfect.
God Bless
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 01:53 pm |
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I know the feeling about noise! We left a church that was very noisy from beginning of the service to the end. I hated being in that church and I felt I was putting on an act whenever I was there. I am reminded of Elijah telling the prophets of Baal to scream louder, "maybe your god is sleeping". I can't understand how God can be present with all the cacaphony going on in some churches today. There is no sense of the sacred anymore and it seems people can't handle quietude. They are accustomed to noise in the culture and can't see a distinction between that and sacred quietness. The culture is dictating worship styles in churches, when it is the churches that should be.
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 05:46 pm |
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You have that right Tiwggymoo!!! Amen! "Quietude" is not a word that many are accustomed to at all anymore. One friend told me once, "Well, Heaven is going to be really loud...and so we should get used to it." or something to that effect. I also recall one Christian fellowship in KC that was total noise all the time...and people milling about with soda cans, standing in little circles and chit chatting away WHILE FLOYD McCLUNG was preaching!!!
That took the cake! It blew me away! It was VERY uncomfortable - the complete lack of respect, the extreme casual attitude and lack of gratitude. We were sitting on the bleachers....YUCK...and it was just creepy. I felt bad for Mr. McClung. Our former church had theater seats and was an "auditorium" not a "quiet sanctuary" and I wonder now how we stayed there as long as we did! You're right about how the culture has dictated worship services. It's horrific really! It chills me to witness this type of stuff. The more independent the church, the more boisterous and loud and 'free' they are proud to be, and yet, tied to so many of their tradtitions of men, they don't even see it for what it is or has become. It's really very sad.
Once they took out the altars, back those many years ago, the only thing left was the pulpit and the preacher at 'center stage' which that alone makes me queasy to think about. Then when he's not listened to, it's really weird! The altars have been replaced by a headset, so the preacher can walk around and a jumbo tron so those in the back can see him and a 15 piece band belting out the songs. We don't notice many older people in these places either. We're in our 50's and it's hard to see anyone much older, a few 'die hards' in their 60's but the elderly aren't there! Isn't that sad?! Something is VERY wrong with that picture and not just the one on the big screen but the one of the whole congregation that has been sold a bag of 'consumerism' instead of 'sound doctrine.'
I pray for these souls who are so memerized by the "gadgetry" of their brand of Christianity. It's very revealing of a deeper and more sobering thing....That "there is a God. . . and He thinks just like me." "Me and my Jesus"....I heard that line a lot. "MY Jesus. When we succeed in making God in our image, He's no longer GOD, but god...and "we're him." THAT is truly frightening!
Lord have mercy. Christ have mercy. Our Lady, pray for us!
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 05:58 pm |
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Prayerie Pal wrote: "Quietude" is not a word that many are accustomed to at all anymore.
I do wish you guys would specify that you're not talking about Catholic churches! They certainly have their faults in some places, but I can't imagine standing around in the presence of the Eucharist with these kind of antics. And then when you talked about taking out the altars, it got really scary!
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 06:26 pm |
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I found this on another forum (Catholic Pillar and Foundation) and since it ties so well into what you've been talking about, I thought I'd copy it here:
The Nine Commandments of God by David J. Stewart
And God spake all these words, saying...
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
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5. Honour thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10. Thou shalt not covet. . . any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Look in Exodus 20:1-17 for the complete text.
Commandments four is a "ceremonial law" which was ONLY for Old Testament Israel. Ceremonial laws were a specific set of laws, for a specific group of people (Israel), for a specific time period (Old Testament). When Jesus died on the cross, He became our Sabbath. The six day work week in the Old Testament pictured man foolishly trying to earn salvation through good works (which is impossible). The Sabbath day of rest represented our precious Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, who died in our place to pay for our sins (that we who are sinful could be made the righteousness of God) (2nd Corinthians 5:17). We are saved by ceasing from our own efforts (works) and resting upon the finished work of Jesus Christ (His death, burial and resurrection and blood atonement for our sin). Jesus paid a debt He did not owe, because we owed a debt we could not pay. Only through the shed blood of Jesus Christ can anyone be saved. Colossians 2:14 mentions "the handwriting of ordinances which was against us." When Jesus died on the cross, the veil in the temple was torn in two, signifying a new covenant between God and His people. The ceremonial laws were done away with. Ceremonial laws were "reminders" to Israel of divine truths. Please understand that the way of salvation did NOT change, all people of all times have been saved the same way...by grace through faith in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8,9). There is NO Sabbath day today. The Israelites were forbidden to light a fire on the Sabbath. This was possible in their climate, but not for people who live in much colder climates. Obviously, the Sabbath was NOT intended for everyone. Also, moral laws are applicable 365 days a year (all the time). We are never to violate a moral law! We are never to commit murder. We are never to commit adultery. We are never to bare false witness, etc. However, the Sabbath day was ceremonial and to be kept only ONCE a week. It could not be a moral law. Also, moral laws apply to ALL humanity, the Sabbath was only for Israel, it was a ceremonial law. As a matter of fact, Jesus broke the Sabbath! Jesus would never break a moral law! Jesus was strict on moral law, but lenient on the Sabbath. This should make very clear that the Sabbath is not valid today. So when you here people talking about the "Ten Commandments;" in fact, there are only nine remaining, which are moral laws (which do not change).
So apparently, since there is no need to make the Lord's Day holy, it must be for entertainment.
This brings out so many things, like if moral laws don't change, why was abortion once wrong and now permitted? Why was contraception once wrong but now permitted? Why was divorce once wrong and now permitted? And why, for Christ's sake, should we waste our time and money on any church at all if there is no need for holiness, especially on the Lord's Day?
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 07:35 pm |
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Yes you're right, Caj. I should have been a bit more clear re: the churches I was talking about. Oops.
Thanks for the Catholic Pillar and Foundation post, too! I am soooo glad to be no longer adrift on a tumultuous sea of screwy doctrines and now have the Star of the Sea leading me to her Son, my Savior. We had a most gorgeous and beautiful day at the Holy Family Shrine, with our May crowning! If any of you are ever in the Omaha/Lincoln NE area, please come visit the Shrine at exit 432 at the Gretna Interchange and follow signs. It's so lovely this time of year with newly planted flowers that will be growing into a splendid vast array of color to embellish this handsome and serene structure, dedicated to Our Holy Family.
AS one pilgrim told me last Sunday night at our RECON meeting "Mary's presence is very strong here." It was an incredible visit with a family of the most kind souls passing through on their way to Colorado. Her husband, a Jew, converted to Catholicism when he witnessed Pope JPII pray at the wailing wall and insert that prayer into the wall. When he saw that, he burst into tears and converted on the spot! I'll have more to say about this at some point either here or on our blog. I'm just in a flurry of activity at the moment getting ready to leave for Rome Wednesday! Please pray for me and our pilgrimage. I've been told that I've been given a "mission" and two dear friends to travel with me and guide me in my growth in holiness, St. Therese and my dear friend, Father Kevin Fete, who I never knew until I began to pray to him last summer. He's now spending his Heaven doing good on earth too, and my devotion to both is growing daily.
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This brings out so many things, like if moral laws don't change, why was abortion once wrong and now permitted? Why was contraception once wrong but now permitted? Why was divorce once wrong and now permitted? And why, for Christ's sake, should we waste our time and money on any church at all if there is no need for holiness, especially on the Lord's Day?
This reminded me of an email I just sent to a woman prof at Wheaton College re: Spiritual Mapping. Has anyone ever heard of it? It's diobolical! It's going around big in the Evangelical world, and isn't recognized by all Evangelicals...which led me to this point: If those preaching truth as they know it and are basing their teaching on the bible, being led by the Holy Spirit, then why would the Holy Spirit tell one pastor or church one thing about this "mapping business" and say it's fine, while telling this wise woman at Wheaton that it's very sinister and leads many astray, focusing on the demonic instead of the Holy and pure. I wrote and said how glad I am to be back in Rome Sweet Home and to be in a Church where the 'buck stops.' Where Christ established HIS Church, not "churches" all teaching this that or the other thing. Please pray with me that this email will touch her heart or that of her assistant who was the one to respond and wrote me such a kind email. I thanked her for her kindness and taking the time to write me. I do hope in my enthusiasm, I was showing her also the Love of Christ, because I said in the end: IF Jesus can't accomplish keeping His Church free from error, then why go to church or bother being a Christian at all? But I said, He has protected His Church by giving us a Pope and a magesterium and has kept Her from error for 2007 years now, so I'm only grateful to be back in the CC.
Oh happy Day!
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 11:31 pm |
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Prayerie Pal wrote: Her husband, a Jew, converted to Catholicism when he witnessed Pope JPII pray at the wailing wall and insert that prayer into the wall. When he saw that, he burst into tears and converted on the spot! I'll have more to say about this at some point either here or on our blog.
Many considered that a significant moment in our recognition of the Jewish heritage of our Christian faith. I have always regretted (and still do) that I don't know more about our Jewish heritage. I would love to attend a synagogue service (Shabbat?) and praise Yahweh with my Jewish brothers and sisters, but the Jewish population in my area is extremely small and I'm afraid I dont' know anyone of that faith. Seeing John Paul II at the Wailing Wall was a meaningful moment for many of us on both sides of the Messianic divide.
Maybe someday...
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Posted: Sun May 13th, 2007 09:15 am |
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If there would be anyway that Susanne and Jesse could be on The Journey Home, it would be a most POWERFUL testimony of God's work as well as our Mother, Mary's intercession! They are in love with Our Lady like no one I've ever met! They are so full of wisdom, and he loves speaking about his heritage and seeing it all fulfilled in Catholicism.
Happy Mother's Day to every mom on this forum! And to our Blessed Mother,
"We love you, Mary!" "Thank you for giving us Jesus!" 
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Posted: Sun May 13th, 2007 09:52 am |
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| I have Joel's e-votionals sent to me, some of them really speak to the moment I'm in, I do not subscribe to all his doctrine, but God has helped me through some of his teachings. After years of calvinistc abuse, he has been a breath of fresh air!
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Posted: Mon May 14th, 2007 11:14 am |
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It's interesting that there is a currently popular contemporary Christian song that says in one line "sanctuaries filled with silent prayer." Only most Protestants never experience that, do they?
I love silence. I sit in the woods away from traffic noise, helicopters, etc. and listen to the still, small voice.
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Posted: Mon May 14th, 2007 03:48 pm |
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You got that right Annie!
I love the silence of the prairie with only the wind or a whisper of a breeze and the meadowlarks and nothing else. The woods are so deeply quiet...I loved walking through the woods in Kings Canyon and the redwoods up north in CA when we lived out there. Our sanctuary was never filled with "silent prayer" in our Interdenominational church.
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Posted: Mon May 14th, 2007 04:19 pm |
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Speaking of a "Holy Hush," Had these Manchester Brits been Catholic converts their song, There's a Kind of Hush (all over the world) might have gone something like this:
Rewritten here: http://underthepoetree.blogspot.com
I realize this truly "dates" me! I'm a walking antique, but lovin' it! I have a blast rewriting songs. It's groovy! did I just say "groovy?"
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