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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 02:42 am |
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| Tonight we had a beautiful first advent mass. The lights were dimmed, the candles were lit, our Maronite rite priest sang much of the liturgy, it was peaceful and holy. Outside, two blocks away, our city's Christmas Parade was in full swing. We could hear the bands as they played and marched, the cheers, the police sirens. The difference between the two celebrations of the same birth in Bethlehem two thousand years ago was startling, and made me realize how much more dear it is to me now than it was a few years ago. I am making efforts to tone down the Santa/gifts/overspending and overdecorating Christmas, and put more emphasis on low key figures of the nativity. I plan to make a deal out of epiphany this year, some way to introduce my family to the idea of it. Does anyone have any suggestions and family rituals concerning epiphany?
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 08:22 am |
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In the days when I was a newspaper reporter, I interviewed a family from a South American country that celebrated Epiphany. I remember that they brought out the kings to add to their creche scene at that time, and they also celebrated with food and gifts. The children received presents on both Christmas Eve and Epiphany.
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 12:33 pm |
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In Louisiana, we celebrate the Epiphany as "Twelfth Night", the twelfth day of Christmas, and the beginning of the Carnival season. The feature of the evening is the "King Cake" which recognizes the baby Jesus as King, which the gift of gold presented by the wise men acknowledged.
At its best, the King cake is a braided, circular coffee cake. A small trinket (usually a plastic baby) is inserted into the cake, and one of the partakers is rewarded by finding the baby. Here, the person who gets the baby has to buy the next cake, or hold the next party.
A King cake could easily be added to your Epiphany celebration. I'll post links to stores offering King cakes for shipment, and recipes, later in the season. They're not hard to make, but the braiding is time-consuming.
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Posted: Wed Dec 5th, 2007 04:24 am |
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| There is a grocery store chain in the Richmond area called Ukrops. Two brothers run it and one is a Methodist, the other a Baptist. The Ukrops chain does an awesome job of public service and also of providing excellent quality products (not a commercial, just telling about them). Anyway, a couple of years ago, for some reason, a number of local people started requesting that they sell King cakes in their bakery. So, they made arrangements with some firm in New Orleans which bakes them and they ship them into the Richmond area and sell them here. The come in colorful boxes which also include a little Baby Jesus figure. But they leave Baby Jesus on top of the cake in a plastic bag. I guess they figure that someone might swallow it, if they hid it in the cake, and so they let the buyer put it in the cake. I haven't had one but they look good! Might try one this year!
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Posted: Wed Dec 5th, 2007 09:25 am |
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EMarshallBuckles wrote: But they leave Baby Jesus on top of the cake in a plastic bag. I guess they figure that someone might swallow it, if they hid it in the cake, and so they let the buyer put it in the cake.
Yes, there have been lawsuits over broken teeth, but I don't believe anyone has ever won. Commercial king cakes pretty much always package the baby separately these days, so someone has to put it in the cake (let's hope they wash their hands first) and so someone knows it's exact location. Kinda ruins the fun.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 01:25 am |
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Marsha,
Strossner's sells delicious king cakes! And they put the baby inside! My family always buys one there for Mardi Gras. They aren't Catholic, but they celebrate Mardi Gras. (go figure!)
I've been making my own king cakes for several years now. I've also done a King cake from a recipe I found in a Mexican cookbook. It is loaded with fruits.
This year my husband finally got my blown plastic wise men out of storage for me. Right now they are set up across the driveway from my nativity set. After Christmas they will begin their journey across the yard to visit Jesus. I thought about not lighting Jesus and the star until Christmas, but I decided that anyone driving by needed to see the whole scene--"the reason for the season."
I heard a great suggestion a few days ago. Someone said they heard of someone having an Epiphany party. I think that is a great idea! I may try that this year. My house will still be decorated and it will be a more relaxing time. I like to think that Mary was probably happy the three kings arrived later, rather than bustling in right after she gave birth.
Also Epiphany is usually when I give gifts to my priests. They get so many gifts at Christmas I like to stretch the season.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 09:44 am |
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I'm celebrating first of all by just leaving the tree up (on purpose) until the 6th. With a live tree, and all it tends to get on my nerves by the 26th. And it comes down by the first of January. So we'll go until Epiphany this year. Maybe we can make a deal out of taking it down on that day.
Although, the cake sounds good, too. MMMMMM, cake.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 02:18 pm |
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| Thanks Beth, it never occurred to me that Strossner's would have King cakes, or that people give gifts to the priests. What are some suggestions for gifts? I like the idea of the Wise Men travelling around the yard! It will make neighbors take notice! I may make a special dinner on Epiphany for family, and serve a King cake. It would be a first for us. God bless
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 08:27 pm |
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Ali wrote: I'm celebrating first of all by just leaving the tree up (on purpose) until the 6th. With a live tree, and all it tends to get on my nerves by the 26th. And it comes down by the first of January. So we'll go until Epiphany this year. Maybe we can make a deal out of taking it down on that day.
Although, the cake sounds good, too. MMMMMM, cake.
Ali
You know, Christmas trees were first introduced here into the United States by a German (from there, not necessarily teaching the language) professor at the College of William and Mary in Williamsburg, VA way back in the early years of our nation. The custom was to set up the tree on Christmas Eve and leave it up all through Christmas through New Years Eve and even through Epiphany, if memory serves. Now some people set it up right after Thanksgiving and take it down the day after Christmas. I have known some people, here in the Richmond, VA area, to leave their trees up until the Fourth of July, ha, ha, but that was just because they were too lazy to take it down! One guy, out here in Hanover County, leaves his outdoor decorations up through the year and just turns them back on again at Christmas.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 11:20 pm |
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I do a few things for Epiphany:
1. I march the Three Kings all over the house, from the top of a bookshelf, around the available flat surfaces, getting them closer to the crib. I make them "arrive" on Epiphany. And I live by myself! Even though this seems childish, I don't think so: (1) We are all celebrating together and (2) it's a fun witness of integrating faith into everyday life for visitors and friends. I let them pick the new place if they are there, in a very low-key way.
2. I have an "Epiphany" party the closest weekend. The last couple of years, I especially invite my brother and his family for games and dinner. I'm seriously considering a King Cake (any cake, what the heck, just as long as there's a king in it, I'll look for one before then, or use a bean, like some traditions do it.) The kids get to see Aunt's tree and decorations, which are still up and lit. I use all the Christmas linens and table decorations. It's a great end to the season; we play the games they got at Christmas and a few family favorites. They are Unitarians and very, very anti-church, so it's also an extremely low-key witness, at least a reminder, standing up for the faith in which my bro and I were raised and which he has turned very strongly against.
3. I don't light my outside lights until the 4th Sunday of Advent and I light them every night until Epiphany. I'm often the last person in the neighborhood.
All in all, I try to re-time Christmas here to begin with Advent, start at Christmas Eve, and proceed through the twelve days. Good for me, good for my friends and family.
Just some ideas.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 12:41 am |
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Therese Z wrote: I'm seriously considering a King Cake (any cake, what the heck, just as long as there's a king in it, I'll look for one before then, or use a bean, like some traditions do it.)
Interesting but true:
The Cajun King cake used a coin or a bean until Haydel's Bakery in New Orleans was able to buy a huge supply of porcelain babies cheaper than they could buy beans in the 1930's! That was the beginning of the "tradition" of putting the baby in the cake.
Of course, with today's tendency for everyone to sue everyone else for everything (suing McDonald's because their hot coffee is hot??), I don't know of any vendors who bake the baby inside the cake anymore except on special request. Instead they package it separately and we get to put it in ourselves. (The person put puts the baby in the cake should always take the last piece!)
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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 02:18 am |
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A few questions:
This is going to sound kind of dumb, but how do you put an object, like a little baby, in a cake without ruining the cake?
Therese Z, I'm going to place my three wise men in a different room tonight and see who notices first! I already have the sheep grazing around: three Fontanini sheep, two Fisher Price sheep, and a Fisher Price pig. I know the Jewish people in Bethlehem probably didn't have pigs, but my granddaughter wanted to include it!
I would like to give small gifts to the grandchildren on Epiphany, not as part of the Christmas hoopla, but to make an impression that it is about the gifts brought to the Baby Jesus. Weren't the three gifts gold, frankincense and myrrh? Are frankincense and myrrh fragrances or spices? Thanks
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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 02:47 am |
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Credo Catholic wrote: A few questions:
This is going to sound kind of dumb, but how do you put an object, like a little baby, in a cake without ruining the cake?
A King cake is actually more of a coffee cake made of braided dough, not batter. The baby is inserted from the bottom so the point of insertion is not visible from the top. The topping is traditionally colored sugar (purple, green, and gold) or glaze, ideally put after the baby is placed inside.
Think of a big oblong danish and you'll get the idea. Better yet, take a look at a picture.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 02:47 am |
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I don't know about comercially baked cakes, but when I make my own I slip the baby in while the cake is warm. I just lift one side of the cake and poke the baby in the bottom (of the cake). (Locally you can get plastic babies at Wilson's.)
According to my dictionary both frankincense and myrrh are both aromatic gum resins. Frankincense is burned as incense. And myrrh is used in perfumes and incense. If I remember correctly, frankincense was given to acknowledge Jesus as God--because incense was burned on the altars. And myrrh was used to prepare the body for burial--foretelling of Jeseus' death. And gold, of course, to signify His kingship.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 12:22 pm |
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I would like to give small gifts to the grandchildren on Epiphany, not as part of the Christmas hoopla, but to make an impression that it is about the gifts brought to the Baby Jesus. Weren't the three gifts gold, frankincense and myrrh?
So perhaps you could give them each three little gifts, to match the number, so they feel a kinship to the baby Jesus.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 12:30 pm |
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| If the Baby can be baked temp wise we used to wrap ours in a little piece of parchement paper before we put it in the cake.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 12:58 pm |
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Credo Catholic wrote: . I am making efforts to tone down the Santa/gifts/overspending and overdecorating Christmas, and put more emphasis on low key figures of the nativity. I
I decorate almost totally with nativities- I love them. Years ago when the various grand children were young my in laws sent us all a gift of a ceramic Santa kneeling over the Christ child in the manger "to put under the tree to remind us all of why we celebrated Christmas" Well the first time they visited us at Christmas they looked around and then my FIL asked "do you do Santa at all?" We did in a way but he was always very minimal compared to the Nativities. To this day my decorating has very few secular decorations- mostly things that the kids have made or that we have been given as gifts that are a little out of the ordinary. At the time they gave us the gift we had only been married about 4 or 5 years and I hadn't learned the SB lingo so they just assumed that we weren't "true Christians" and still had hopes of bringing us into their fold and out of my Anglican fold- here it is almost 18 years later and we are indeed leaving (or have left) the Anglican fold but further into "false Christianity!"
oh and our baby was a dime in the cake
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Posted: Sun Dec 16th, 2007 08:22 pm |
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I was just talking to my husband today about how his grandmother, who was from Germany, had the wisemen day by day march across the house to arrive at the manger. I had never heard of this before. I grew up putting everybody in the manger on the first SUnday of Advent, even baby Jesus.
My family, even though we were reformed protestant, celebrated epiphany with a tin foil ball in a cake. Last year, I ordered a king cake from New Orleans(a place which Rick recommended). It was well worth it.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17th, 2007 12:43 pm |
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For some Eastern rite churches, Epiphany is the 'real' Christmas. And being considered the day of gifts is the day gifts are exchanged. Also gifts are given on the Feast of St Nicholas, especially for little children.
As a child, for Epiphany, my Mom would bake the bean right in the cake-mix cake. [its no different than baking with nuts or similar ingredients] Whoever found it was 'king for the day' and could order everybody around. Being the youngest of five, this was especially appealing to me. I was bossy but never had any authority. :-) hahaha. In spite of my and my French grandmother's best efforts at combing through my piece of cake, I didn't find the bean.
Yes, we did the same with the wise men - they'd travel around the room where the nativity set was displayed, finally arriving on Epiphany. We'd be sure to sing "We Three Kings" of course!
I too am disturbed by the way we all have come to celebrate Christmas before the day. I mean even in "Its a Wonderful Life", you see them decorating the tree on Christmas Eve which was the tradition. Advent is supposed to be penitential while we do penance to achieve more grace and blessings on the Feast Day of Christmas. When I organized the choir parties years and years ago, I confused everyone by having it the week after Christmas. But it proved to be popular since it skipped the holiday madness and things were calm, we could rent a room much more cheaply, etc! I felt that a Catholic Choir was the last group on earth that should be partying during Advent.
The traditional party-time of Christmas is the 12 days, culminating on Epiphany.
I'd suggest not baking anything meltable like plastic in the cake, but inserting afterwards, like Rick and Beth described.
Beth i love your description of the traveling wisemen. If only one could still find nativity scenes!!! I'm lacking a good one - the beautiful ones are so expensive. Sam's Club has a nice one but its 450 buckaroos!
Gifts for priests - Marsha a lot of people do this. Some simply send a card, some give money for personal use, some priests get inundated with sweets and food, if you know the priest very well you can even give a nice bottle of wine or favorite liquor. If you've ever worked in a parish, you'll see the piles of food they get. If the priests are diabetic or have some dietary restrictions, this isn't always the best. The priests just leave out the food on the tables and hope that the 'help' will consume it. Maybe more worthwhile would be a 'coupon' promising a dinner delivered or at your house in the coming months?
Marshall- Our hoity-toity HOA would never allow us to leave up the lights, but I sure can see the advantages! The hardest part about decorating is the dread of putting it all away.
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We have a puppy that chews on everything in sight so I decided not to put up an indoor tree. The tree I put up out on the deck has blown over twice, breaking the lights both times. I have put it away.
My advent candles on the mantel looked nice until I started using them, they turned out not to be dripless and I have purple candle wax melted on the brick and mortar and garland.
I have been told not to ask for anything religiously related this year.
I'm looking forward to Epiphany, maybe it will be better than Advent. 
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| Put the tree IN a playpen- no joke- we have done this many a year. I admit it was nicer in the old fashioned wooden kind but even when we changed to a mesh playpen it was beeter than nothing- or get a little one that you can put on a small table. As for not asking for religious gifts- isn't it your right to ask for what YOU want ( within cost & appropriateness reason- plagirl magazines don't make the suitability list for example!)
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kimdyuma wrote: As for not asking for religious gifts- isn't it your right to ask for what YOU want
You would think! Two years ago was the first Christmas since I had joined the church, and they gave me several very nice catholic gifts, including a nice rosary, a beautiful wall crucifix, and a St. Ann medal on a chain. Last year I asked for a print of our church done by a local artist and a rosary bracelet. I got the print, not the rosary bracelet but a saint's bracelet! Close enough and a nice surprise, but there was a lack of enthusiasm from the family. Now they are over the catholic thing, but it goes on for me of course! It's not that there is anything I need, but I wish they understood this is a way of life for me now and not a passing fad.
I have a tiny tree on the counter in the kitchen, it will have to do for this year. I can't even think about putting a tree up again, for the third time!
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So what is one supposed to do/celebrate on the Epiphany? Isn't that the same day the Orthodox Christians celebrate Christmas?
Marsha, you may think one dog is a hazard, but imagine putting up a tree with all the trimmings when one owns four cats. That's just too much of a risk for us to take! I'm thinking about cutting down a small tree from our yard (real small), and putting it on one of our tables which is quite a distance from the floor. Of course with the way cats can jump, I wonder how long the tree would stay in place.
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Darlene wrote: So what is one supposed to do/celebrate on the Epiphany? Isn't that the same day the Orthodox Christians celebrate Christmas?
Looking over the Calendar of Feasts of the Orthodox Church of America (OCA), the Nativity of the Lord is celebrated on December 25th, while January 6th is the Theophany of the Lord, also called the Baptism of the Lord. There is no separate feast called the Epiphany, although "Theophany" refers to the revelation of the divinity of the Christ and of the Trinity, and so it is a comparable feast. It is considered a greater feast than the Nativity. Technically, it is also a greater feast in the west, since every human was born but only one was recognized as divine. On the western liturgical calendar, both Easter and Pentecost are also more significant feasts than Christmas, although our materialistic focus is on Christmas.
In many countries, Christmas is celebrated as the birthday of the King, while gifts are given on Epiphany, as they were given to our Savior. Practices regarding the giving of gifts varies from culture to culture.
(In many countries, the Orthodox still follow the Julian calendar, so the dates do not necessarily coincide with the Gregorian calendar used in the west. For that reason, the Feast of the Nativity in some eastern countries may not happen on the same day we celebrate in the west, even though the date is technically the same. Eastern Catholics follow the predominate calendar of the country in which they are located.)
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| Darlene, I can't imagine having four cats! We had one cat years ago and she would climb up in the tree. In fact, I had an artificial tree that she broke doing that, and I started getting live trees after that. What we won't do for our pets, huh?
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