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Ali
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 10:18 am |
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Welcome to all our new members!  I'm bad at posting individually to each one, lol, so here is my big welcome to all of our recent newbies!!!
I hope you find what you are looking for here. Don't be afraid to jump in and participate and ask questions 
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wisdomseeker
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 12:28 pm |
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| hi everyone! someone help me on this. I heard that all catholic churches should be built upright vertical in direction to heaven. when i mentioned that in my catechism class, my priest said it is not true, that it doesnt matter how the build looks like that it is an opinion of whoever said how the church should be built. i think my priest is too liberal he always mention protestants pastores, martin luther as examples of great christians. it brings confusion to me.
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Esther
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 12:45 pm |
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wisdomseeker wrote: hi everyone! someone help me on this. I heard that all catholic churches should be built upright vertical in direction to heaven. when i mentioned that in my catechism class, my priest said it is not true, that it doesnt matter how the build looks like that it is an opinion of whoever said how the church should be built. i think my priest is too liberal he always mention protestants pastores, martin luther as examples of great christians. it brings confusion to me.
Hey Janete!
Welcome to the forum!!
I am sure someone is more knowledgeable on this then I am, but the way I came to understand it is God dwells in the Church (present in the Eucharist). Therefore, it should be beautiful, only the best for God. My teach told me they make the high roofs to direct our eyes and minds to heaven. I don't know any of this to be fact, but it is just my take on it.
I think Martin Luther was a great Christian. The very best Christian I know is a Southern Baptist Minister. He is a true man of God. Both Misguided, but a great Christians. Sometimes priest are a bit liberal for my taste, but ya know they gave up a lot to serve God. I try and give them the benefit of the doubt. Unless they start making heretical statements, I really don't make much of a fuss. Thankfully I am friends with one of my priest and he doesn't mind to discuss things with me and why he feels one way or another. We have different views on a lot of things, but he sure does love Jesus and His Church.
I don't know the particulars of your situation or your priest, but if something is bothering you, I would suggest speaking with him about it privately to understand where he is coming from.
Once again, welcome!! I look forward to getting to know you!
Blessings!
Esther
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 02:51 pm |
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wisdomseeker wrote: hi everyone! someone help me on this. I heard that all catholic churches should be built upright vertical in direction to heaven. when i mentioned that in my catechism class, my priest said it is not true, that it doesnt matter how the build looks like that it is an opinion of whoever said how the church should be built. i think my priest is too liberal he always mention protestants pastores, martin luther as examples of great christians. it brings confusion to me.
The great Gothic cathedrals all have tall spires reaching toward heaven, but that's not only true of Catholic and Orthodox churches. You'll see it on Anglican and Protestant churches as well. However, such construction can be extremely expensive. High ceilings and cupolas were useful in the days before air conditioning as they helped to circulate air, but today they are a lot more expensive to heat and cool for no real purpose other than aesthetic. So air conditioning has changed the value of certain types of construction, and in most newly constructed parishes function is more important than form.
One of the greatest benefits of Vatican II is that the Church actually examined long-held beliefs for validity. Many things, such as the use of high ceilings, massive displays of candles, etc., were actually used for purposes required at the time but no longer necessary (such as air circulation and acoustics) due to modern technology. More modern designs allow more people a better view with fewer columns and less expense in the design and building.
So some of the things that were "traditionally taught and believed" were found to be ungrounded, and some of the things that once were mandatory are now optional. These are the things that normally evolve over time, but since the Church had frozen so many rules from Trent to Vatican II, we got hit with centuries worth of normal change all at one time, and too much got thrown out. Pope Benedict is in the process of restoring the balance, so I think we'll see a return to more traditional architecture, music, and liturgy in the future, while maintaining forms required for efficiency.
As to the idea that Protestants are good Christians, that is absolutely true. I would hesitate to use Luther as an example because of his own personal demons, but certainly there are Protestants who live very holy lives. Billy Graham comes immediately to mind, but there are many, many more.
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wisdomseeker
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 09:34 pm |
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| thank you much for your answer. i have a good relationship with my priest he is down to earth person. but i dont agree with some of the things he says. but i know he loves the Lord. i just think sometimes they dont bother to be better informed as teachers or they are a bit afraid to speak the truth. the truth of Jesus Christ.
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wisdomseeker
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 09:41 pm |
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| thank you for your answer. i agree with you. but i dont believe protestants ministries should be mentioned in our class. why not teach about the Fathers of the Church as examples. that's my opinion. no wonder why many catholic do not understand their faith at all. bless you.
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Esther
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 11:24 am |
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wisdomseeker wrote: i just think sometimes they dont bother to be better informed as teachers or they are a bit afraid to speak the truth. the truth of Jesus Christ.
Yes, sometimes this is the case. I remember going through RCIA and irritating the instructors because I disagreed with some of there teaching. The great part is we are good friends now. There are definite truths of the Church and there are also different ways at looking at things. Humbly I have to admit most of what I made a fuss over was the former. But I am really blessed to belong to a fabulous parish with lots of PATIENT people. 
Glad to hear you and your priest have a good relationship! If you feel comfortable, ask him why he stated he made those statements. Although you will probably still disagree, maybe you can understand his mode of thought and he yours.
Blessings!
Esther
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 01:40 pm |
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Esther wrote: wisdomseeker wrote: i just think sometimes they dont bother to be better informed as teachers or they are a bit afraid to speak the truth. the truth of Jesus Christ.
Yes, sometimes this is the case.
It is also true that many catechists are volunteers with little or no formal training. Efforts are underway to increase the number of trained catechists, but of necessity sometimes they just keep the chairs warm. Then again, if they can share their faith and hold your hand and cry and laugh and pray with you when necessary, they are fulfilling their most important role.
Every parish should have someone available who is knowledgeable and at least drops in occasionally to answer questions, but in many areas especially in the bible belt where priests handle 4-5 parishes, they do the best they can.
That is actually a major part of our function here. We try to make up for shortages on the parish level by providing accurate information on the Catholic faith, and serving as a virtual support group that often doesn't exist in the parish.
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Esther
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 02:19 pm |
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CajunRick wrote: Esther wrote: wisdomseeker wrote: i just think sometimes they dont bother to be better informed as teachers or they are a bit afraid to speak the truth. the truth of Jesus Christ.
Yes, sometimes this is the case.
It is also true that many catechists are volunteers with little or no formal training. Efforts are underway to increase the number of trained catechists, but of necessity sometimes they just keep the chairs warm. Then again, if they can share their faith and hold your hand and cry and laugh and pray with you when necessary, they are fulfilling their most important role.
Great point Rick! They provide so much of that for me. People with hearts the size of Texas. I so appreciate the few that step to try and help. They are fulfilling the 2 great commandments, and as you said that is the most important role played.
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Intercessor
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Posted: Mon Dec 17th, 2007 11:51 am |
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Regarding the number of new members--
I used to do pretty well welcoming folks; but with all the new members at once, I have not done well at all.
A big welcome to all the new members!
Becky
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Consider it all joy, my brothers, when you encounter various trials. . .the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Blessed is the man who perseveres in temptation, for when he has been proved he will receive the crown of life. . . NAB James 1:2-4,12
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Posted: Mon Dec 17th, 2007 12:19 pm |
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i dont mean to criticize them. i do appreciate everything they do. it is just sometimes frustraring. that is all. God bless.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17th, 2007 01:39 pm |
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wisdomseeker wrote: i dont mean to criticize them. i do appreciate everything they do. it is just sometimes frustraring. that is all. God bless.
I do understand that, Janete, and that's why it works best when we understand that we all have a lot to learn from each other.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17th, 2007 01:58 pm |
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| someday i want to teach catechism. when i am ready. do i need to go through some kind of training before?
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Posted: Mon Dec 17th, 2007 02:15 pm |
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wisdomseeker wrote: someday i want to teach catechism. when i am ready. do i need to go through some kind of training before?
Each diocese offers a form of Catechist Certification, but the requirements for training differ from diocese to diocese. Even if they do let you begin teaching, you should look into the Catechist Certification program. Ours takes one year for Basic and an additional year for Master through the formal program, or catechists can take individual courses and track their hours until all the requirements are met, which can take many years.
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