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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 09:22 pm |
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Has anyone come across a Protestant/Catholic Dictionary? Or at least an article with a good list of terminology that needs to change when one becomes a Catholic?
If so, I'd like to order a copy.
If nobody has created one yet, maybe we could at least pool our ideas.
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P: After the service, we went to lunch.
C: After Mass, we went to lunch.
P: I have an unspoken prayer request.
C: I have a special intention.
P: The reception will be in the fellowship hall.
C: The reception will be in the refectory.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 09:47 pm |
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This document, hosted at EWTN, provides a look at Catholic terminology versus pseudo-Catholic terminology. Might also be helpful for you.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 09:57 pm |
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japhy wrote:
This document, hosted at EWTN, provides a look at Catholic terminology versus pseudo-Catholic terminology. Might also be helpful for you.
Thanks, Jeff. What I'm looking for is a faster way to eliminate some Protestant terminology ---faster than having "errors" pointed out to me one at a time. I'm probably making a great number of such "errors" without realizing it. The faster I realize them the faster I can eliminate them.Last edited on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 09:58 pm by Intercessor
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 10:13 pm |
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Hello:
Not too many years ago this diocese was like a foreign mission field.
One long-time priests tells this story: A Catholic Church was in the process of being established in a small town that had never seen such a thing. In a discussion with the little group of Catholic residents about a possible name for the mission, one persons suggested, "The First Catholic Church." 
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 10:41 pm |
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JasPax wrote:
Not too many years ago this diocese was like a foreign mission field.
One long-time priests tells this story: A Catholic Church was in the process of being established in a small town that had never seen such a thing. In a discussion with the little group of Catholic residents about a possible name for the mission, one persons suggested, "The First Catholic Church."
God's Blessings,
Oh, how funny! Love it!
One priest teased me about saying I had enjoyed the sweet fellowship in a Catholic home. He said "fellowship" was a Protestant term. The other day I heard Ralph Martin say St. Teresa of Avila believed fellowship was important to spiritual growth. I haven't had a chance to check it out and learn whether St. Teresa was "talkin' like a Protestant" or whether Ralph Martin is the one who injected a Protestant phrase without her having used the term herself.
So much effort is involved for a middle-aged (or older) person in leaving the Baptist tradition for Catholicism. It's a bit wearing to make so many internal changes (hard for the cradle Catholic to grasp, I guess) and adopt so many strange new customs only to have ongoing episodes of Protestant phrases setting off others who want all traces of past Protestantism removed.
What's wrong with "fellowship" anyway? I like that word! 
Becky
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 12:20 am |
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Intercessor wrote: [size=
P: The reception will be in the fellowship hall.
C: The reception will be in the refectory.
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P. The reception will be in the fellowship hall.
C. The reception will be in the parish hall.
P. Sunday School
C. CCD
P. "God laid a burden on my heart" or "convicted me..."
C. "I feel called" or "God called me to..."
P. Song leader
C. Cantor
P. "He preached on..."
C. "The homily was on..."
I'm a cradle Catholic, but these are some phrases that have struck me when talking with my Protestant relatives and friends.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 12:29 am |
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Am I correct in thinking that protestants say "ministry," while Catholics say "apostolate"?
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 01:23 am |
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JillD wrote: Am I correct in thinking that protestants say "ministry," while Catholics say "apostolate"?
I would say that apostolate is much more common in Catholic terminology, but ministry is not unheard either.
However, Catholics usually do not use the term ministry when applied to parish groups. (For example, Mom's ministry is called Mom's group or Mom's Bible Study, Senior's ministry is the Senior Citizen luncheon, the women's ministry is Catholic Council of Women etc). The only exception is youth ministry which is usually called CYO at the parish level and sometimes youth ministry at the diocesan level.
Actually, at my current parish, the only thing commonly referred to as ministry is the ecumenical outreach to the homeless that we do with area Christian churches.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 01:26 am |
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P. Witness/Testimony
C. Conversion story
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 02:35 am |
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In my experience Protestants use the word fellowship as a verb whereas the Catholic (if used at all use it as an adjective)
My FIL on the occasion of my first officail date with the woman who is now my wife, during the typical Father - New Boyfriend talk said to me
P: Where to you go to fellowship?
C: Where to you go to Church/Mass?
I think I must have had that "kangaroo in the headlights" look as I took about 10 seconds to work out what he meant before answering
Regards Doc
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 02:38 am |
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We're off to a good start. Thanks for the contributions so far. 
Oh, for Baptists, it's the nursery.
For Catholics, it's the cry room.
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DrDave wrote:
In my experience Protestants use the word fellowship as a verb whereas the Catholic (if used at all use it as an adjective)
My FIL on the occasion of my first officail date with the woman who is now my wife, during the typical Father - New Boyfriend talk said to me
P: Where to you go to fellowship?
C: Where to you go to Church/Mass?
I think I must have had that "kangaroo in the headlights" look as I took about 10 seconds to work out what he meant before answering
Regards Doc
Well, Doc, it's a wonder you won the lady's hand, then.
During that ten seconds, FIL was probably thinking you were not a particularly godly young fella. 
In my background, fellowship was a noun, an adjective, and a verb.
One heard the word often!
Sometimes it's hard not to use it. I haven't heard many satisfactory synonyms.Last edited on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 02:50 am by Intercessor
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Intercessor wrote:
One priest teased me about saying I had enjoyed the sweet fellowship in a Catholic home. He said "fellowship" was a Protestant term. The other day I heard Ralph Martin say St. Teresa of Avila believed fellowship was important to spiritual growth. I haven't had a chance to check it out and learn whether St. Teresa was "talkin' like a Protestant" or whether Ralph Martin is the one who injected a Protestant phrase without her having used the term herself.
What's wrong with "fellowship" anyway? I like that word!
Becky
Looks as if my mind was AWOL when I wrote that material. I doubt very much that St. Teresa of Avila used the English word fellowship 
I don't know whether Allison Peers, the translator, used that word.
What I do know is that Ralph Martin uses it in his audio presentation on St. Teresa's teachings.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 04:16 am |
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same word but different meanings:
benediction
P: closing prayer after which one makes a mad dash for local restaurant seating
C: in my area, most commonly heard as short way of referring to the Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament
Click here for material on Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament.Last edited on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 04:53 am by Intercessor
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But what is the Protestant term for bingo? 
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I thought it was "double predestination."
CajunRick wrote: But what is the Protestant term for bingo?
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BD wrote:
I thought it was "double predestination."
CajunRick wrote: But what is the Protestant term for bingo?
Rick, Marsha, Brett, you guys are quick!
I felt I had been caught in a Catholic double jeopardy when I was asked
both to undergo a conditional baptism
and
make a confession (over a lifetime of sins)
Hey! Didn't get a break coming or going!
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 09:12 pm |
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What about the use of the word worship?
That's different also, isn't it? I don't think a Catholic uses that word, pertaining to activities of the Mass, in the way that a Protestant uses it to refer to activities of the Sunday morning service.
Am I wrong about that?
Probably celebrate would be better. Or what else?
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With regards to worship I think many Protestants equate the word pray with the word worship (since for the most part they don't pray to anyone other than God)
Thus when the Catholic says
C: I pray to Mary
The Protestant 'hears'
P: I worship Mary
rather than the intended meaning
P: I asked Mary to pray for me
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 10:53 pm |
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charism
Fr. Hardon uses gift in his definition.
Is it accurate to put it as
P: spiritual gift
C: charism
Sometimes in Catholic literature it seems the writer is more nearly speaking of an area of service (Protestant--ministry) than a spiritual gift. Maybe the full idea is that a charism is a spiritual giftedness for a specific area of service to the community of believers.
Comments? Clarifications?
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DrDave wrote:
With regards to worship I think many Protestants equate the word pray with the word worship (since for the most part they don't pray to anyone other than God)
Thus when the Catholic says
C: I pray to Mary
The Protestant 'hears'
P: I worship Mary
rather than the intended meaning
P: I asked Mary to pray for me
Regards Doc
That's a sticky one, Doc. I went round and round on that one before coming into the Church. It still seems to me that many Catholics go far beyond asking Mary's intercession on their behalf. You are correct, though, about the close connection between Protestant views of prayer and worship.
Here's what I'm hoping to nail down a bit.
Would most cradle Catholics speak in these ways?
1. After church we went to lunch.
2. After worshipping at St. Mary's, we went to lunch.
3. After the service, we went to lunch.
They wouldn't, would they? So, is there any "acceptable" Catholic
way other than the one below?
"After Mass, we went to lunch."
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Several things to keep in mind, although St. Brigid's Parish where I was baptized in hasn't considering what it put on the sign on its front yard in Amherst, MA:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!
It's either Catholic or it ain't. THE TERM "ROMAN CATHOLIC" IS A PROTESTANT EPISCOPAL CHURCH INVENTION TO (a-hem ... "distinguish itself" FROM HER MUCH BIGGER, OLDER AND WISER SISTER. Keep tryin' little sister, you and all your neo-pagan Druidite priestesses.)
If I never hear the words "meaningful worship experience" ever again, it'll be far too soon.
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Intercessor wrote: DrDave wrote:
With regards to worship I think many Protestants equate the word pray with the word worship (since for the most part they don't pray to anyone other than God)
Thus when the Catholic says
C: I pray to Mary
The Protestant 'hears'
P: I worship Mary
rather than the intended meaning
P: I asked Mary to pray for me
Regards Doc
[size=That's a sticky one, Doc. I went round and round on that one before coming into the Church. It still seems to me that many Catholics go far beyond asking Mary's intercession on their behalf. You are correct, though, about the close connection between Protestant views of prayer and worship.
Here's what I'm hoping to nail down a bit.
Would most cradle Catholics speak in these ways?
1. After church we went to lunch.
2. After worshipping at St. Mary's, we went to lunch.
3. After the service, we went to lunch.
They wouldn't, would they? So, is there any "acceptable" Catholic
way other than the one below?
"After Mass, we went to lunch."]
After church, we went to lunch.
I hear (& say) church frequently. Except that it's usually: "If you're good at church, we will get donuts afterward." Or "We will get donuts after church if you behave."
I do use the term service for Good Friday, since that is technically not a Mass (since we use pre-consecrated hosts).
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Steven Barrett wrote: Several things to keep in mind, although St. Brigid's Parish where I was baptized in hasn't considering what it put on the sign on its front yard in Amherst, MA:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!
It's either Catholic or it ain't. THE TERM "ROMAN CATHOLIC" IS A PROTESTANT EPISCOPAL CHURCH INVENTION TO (a-hem ... "distinguish itself" FROM HER MUCH BIGGER, OLDER AND WISER SISTER. Keep tryin' little sister, you and all your neo-pagan Druidite priestesses.)
If I never hear the words "meaningful worship experience" ever again, it'll be far too soon.
Steven,
Many Catholics who are faithful to the Magisterium like to use the term Roman Catholic to distinguish themselves from the so-called American Catholics or AmChurchers. OK, so I know there is no such thing as the American Catholic Church. The point is that it is a way to identify themselves as faithful to Rome.
As for "meaningful worship experience", that reminds me of my Catholic high school. The nuns told my mother that they were "shopping around for a more meaningful Mass."   (Someone told me that my mother should have sued for consumer fraud.  ) Do they sing the songs from Godspell at your "meaningful worship experiences"?
Don't even ask me why I homeschool.
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