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kimdyuma
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| First Name: | Kim | | Gender: | Female | | Faith History: | cradle Anglican, Episcopal /Catholic-04/07/07 |
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 05:07 pm |
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in the early days of our marriage, my husband had trouble coming to terms with my Anglo Catholic mindset vs. his S.B. upbringing. Growing up his family spent from 9 until noon in Sunday school/church, felt for lunch and went back at 5 Pm and then from 6 pm until 9 pm. I on the other hand grew up going to church for one hour on Sundays and then maybe 30 to 40 minutes in the early morning for a communion service many days of the week ( or sometimes at noon). When we first started going to the Episcopal church here I had to adjust to a service that usually ran over an hour and a half, sermons that were a minimum of 20 minutes and they expected the kids and adults to attend Sunday school for an hour before the service plus the kids typically didn't attend church with their parents- instead went o "kids" church and joined us just before going up to the altar for communion. I balked at that and asked how the kids would learn what was expected of them if they never spent much time in church? Now since we only had one service at 9 am it meant that if for some reason we couldn't get there-due to my work or if we had had a late late night from travelling etc ( I mean into the after midnight hours) then we would miss church that week. At first he equated that with poor Christianity then he realized that I was as devout as his parents just different. Since becoming Catholic though we have starting Saturday night until Sunday night a choice of 5 different Masses at our church alone- at the other 4 Catholic Churches there are also services in English somewhat staggered from those times. That doesn't even count the 2 churches with no English services or the Spanish services at the other 4 churches so generally if I know that I won't be able to go to the Sunday morning one it is rare that I can't go Saturday or Sunday evening instead. This week end both kids had a late late Saturday night and wanted to sleep in I said okay but they were expected to go Sunday evening then. My husband has taken this to mean that I am becoming "a fanatic" like his parents because at our old church I would have let them sleep. What I tried to explain is that while I don't go every time the doors are open like his family just the fact that we have so many choices to choose means that there is very little valid reason to miss Mass whereas before if we missed 9 am well that was it until the next week.
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Dave Armstrong
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 08:57 pm |
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Hey, I think in this day and age we should rejoice if a person goes to church at all (i.e., if it is a truly Christian denomination). The person could simply sleep in on Sunday morning or catch the news shows (Meet the Press, etc.).
I didn't go to church for a 12-year period of my life. Even after I converted to evangelicalism, I was going to Bible studies only for a few years, because I didn't care for the long liturgical service in the Lutheran church where I attended.
Now I go to Latin Mass! I guess you could say I went from the "Jesus People" to "Jesus the Person" (in the Holy Eucharist). That would be a cool title for a conversion story!
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Intercessor
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 09:16 pm |
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kimdyuma wrote: When we first started going to the Episcopal church here I had to adjust to. . . sermons that were a minimum of 20 minutes
And, of course, I had the opposite problem. After sermons of 25-30 minutes, the very short homilies, usually interrupted by crying babies and departing (if one is fortunate) parent, can often be over before I'm even sure what the topic is.
I have heard a few Catholic homilies longer than 25 minutes, believe it or not; but they are the exception.
Kim, I think my favorite story along these lines is probably the one you told about your then-young children. After the Southern Baptist worship service concluded, one of your children asked when church would begin, I believe. 
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kimdyuma
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 09:40 pm |
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Kim, I think my favorite story along these lines is probably the one you told about your then-young children. After the Southern Baptist worship service concluded, one of your children asked when church would begin, I believe.
Yeah Not one of our better moments as far as the in laws were concerned- another time my daughter came out form the kitchen and pulled at my skirt saying "Mom" they are putting Jesus in to grape juce bottles The unused shot glasses were being emptied back into the bottles for refreshemnt time- even I must have looked shocked at that one becuase my husband started laughing so hard.
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kimdyuma
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 10:17 pm |
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I was reminded of a past incident last night after talking to MIL- I mentioned that the newest baby had been dedicated while she was up visiting his brother's family. My husband said " I don't know where that came from Baptists never did that while I was growing up" i said well it has been around as long as ***** has been married to your sister.
about 11 years ago when we were all introduced to this BIL, before the wedding we were talking I think about heirloom linens and I mentioned that both our kids had worn a gown fro the 1800's and that I had wrapped it away for their children's baptisms. He said "You mean dedication, we don't baptize babies" i said no our kids were both baptized at 4 months old. He again said "no it was a dedication -we don't do that." So I figured that none of the others had enlightened him about the "heathen" in their midst yet and said in my church we do baptize infants- he AGAIN said "I don't care what you call it it was a dedication since your kids were too young to profess their faith" At that point I figured that i had best go make sure that the crock pot wasn't burning our dinner. It's a miracle that we managed to become friends after that introduction. Oddly enough he is the one who best understands the autism issues.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 05:24 am |
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Kim,
I had to re-read your last post several times over to be sure I actually read where somebody had the blasted gall to sincerely, actually and pointedly correct you about the sacramentality of your children's baptism.
Reading what you shared and endured, reminds me of some of the lines in Merle Haggard's "Fighting side of me." When somebody starts knocking what's sacred to another person, particularly THE SACRAMENT OF ENTRANCE INTO THE CHRISTIAN FAITH for her or his children and having the nerve to dictate what is and isn't to that person -- that'd be getting on somebody's fighting side for sure.  
If somebody doesn't want their kids baptized (and that's a real shame), that's for them to face the Lord, but for them to be that brash -- Whoa! Lots of times I've wanted to shout out during Baptist "dedications" what a shortshrifting the kids were getting, but it'd be completely improper (not to mention illegal in MA for disrupting a religious service) to do unto these parents what we wish they wouldn't do to us, even in a private setting.
But what i can't understand is why these so-called "bible Christians" can't see that these half-baked (nice, but non-sacramental) dedication services are an affront to Jesus who told us in the Good Book to go out, evangelize and Baptize people. DUH!
"Where in the Bible does it say to whip out those pledge cards"? 
What a cruel question that'd be for some!
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kimdyuma
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 02:58 pm |
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Someone in my family once said to me "you take everyone by surprise becuase you always go along with most things like - where do you want to go for dinner? Which movie do you want to see? But when you make up your mind NO ONE can change it- like the religion thing" They are right I usually just say "oh i don't mind, what ever you want" but I stood my ground on church, on many issues with the kids, but honestly whether we eat Chinese or Mexican food at a family thing- will that matter even a day from now never mind a year? If I rearrange my time to adapt to someone else's schedule will it be an issue next week? No, but if my kids grow up never having learned to love God and have faith will it matter? YES. If my kids don't learn to stand on a principle like prolife, like honesty or doing the right thing will it matter? YES.
I will say that since my father in law died my husband's family has mellowed on the non Baptist thing- or at least most of them just plain don't mention it and my mother in law asked me the name of the Church we now go to since she prays for all her kids' churches. I thought that was a good step. She is also relieved that the kids are going to the Cahtolic church rather than no church after the upsets at our former Episcopal/Anglican Churches.
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