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left coast mystic
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 04:19 pm |
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I'm a bit confused about some of the descriptions of their Catholicism that people list under "faith". Chaldean Catholic? Greek Melkite Catholic? Catholic-Latin Rite? (is Latin Rite the standard-type Catholic, or is it something else?)
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 05:45 pm |
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Marcee, the Latin Church is the predominant one in the West (western Europe, Americas, Oceania, much of Africa) while the others, such as the Byzantine, Coptic, Ethiopic, Chaldean and Maronite have their sources in the Middle East, eastern Europe, Africa, India, etc. These latter exist as mostly immigrant communities in the U.S. All are Catholic, but the have different traditions and liturgy. Many of the non-Latin Catholic Churches are the product of a return to the Catholic Church from the various Orthodox Churches.
Within the Catholic Church, these other Churches have equal status with the Latin Church, being based on the ancient patriarchies of early Christianity. We all recognize the Pope, who is the Patriarch of the Latin Church, as overall head of the Catholic Church. So we’re all one big, happy and very diverse family.
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Pani Rose
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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I found an interesting page on the 'rites' of the Catholic Church. The priest that did it points out the five patriarchates that came out of Jerusalem. Later there were two more added, making seven total.
THE FIVE 'ECUMENICAL' PATRIARCHATES: SOURCES OF ORIGIN TO
THE SPREAD OF CHRISTIANITY...
(NORTH) BYZANTIUM
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(WEST) ROME <- JERUSALEM -> (EAST) ANTIOCH
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(SOUTH) ALEXANDRIA
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A CHART OF THE ORIGINS OF THE VARIOUS RITES OF THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH, IN TERMS OF GENEALOGICAL DESCENT.
His chart is good. However, the Melkite Church is placed akwardly, since it is the Church at Atnitoch, the counterpart to the Antiochean Orthodox.
So it's placement to me on this graph seems a bit off.
JERUSALEM
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I can't copy and paste his chart, as you scroll down you will see it and
you can read his whole discussion here.
http://www.cwo.com/~pentrack/catholic/RITES.TXT |
Try this  http://www.cwo.com/~pentrack/catholic/RITES.TXT
Last edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 06:33 pm by Pani Rose
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 06:54 pm |
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You can learn more about the Eastern Catholic Churches at http://www.byzcath.org
Eastern Catholics are fully Catholic with allegiance to our Holy Father, but their liturgy and practices are different.
As David mentioned, the Latin Church (more commonly called the "Roman Catholic Church") is by far the largest, but the Eastern Churches (I think there are 22 of them) are equal in dignity and honor.
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Kayla
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 08:35 pm |
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Not much to add, but I have been to both a Maronite Rite Catholic Church and a Byzantine liturgy. Both of their liturgies are simply beautiful.
On another note, I think one of the priests at our seminary is both a priest in the Latin Rite and the Byzantine Rite. I forget how they explained that it was possible, but apparentally it is.
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left coast mystic
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 09:29 pm |
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Thanks, that link was a fascinating exposition of a part of church history that I was only slightly acquainted with. The description of the entire congregation singing the liturgy is something which I hope to experience one day (before I get to hear the choirs of angels and the redeemed in heaven glorifying God without end!)
However, it brings up another question. That exposition, written in the late 80s, brought up the issue of ordaining married men as priests, common in the Eastern rites but not in the Latin rite, and apparently forbidden by the CC in the US and Canada (doesn't make much sense to me why these two countries would be singled out in that way). Anyway, I know that recently the CC in the US has been allowing for married Anglican priests who convert to function as priests in the CC. What is the current status of this issue in the Eastern rite dioceses/churches?
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 12:09 am |
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Kayla wrote: On another note, I think one of the priests at our seminary is both a priest in the Latin Rite and the Byzantine Rite. I forget how they explained that it was possible, but apparentally it is.
It's known as "bi-ritual" and quite simply it is done so a priest can serve a community where there might not be a need for a full-time priest, such as a small mission parish. The only Byzantine Divine Liturgy in Louisiana is conducted in a small chapel in New Orleans (their parish church was destroyed by Katrina) on a Sunday morning. The same priest conducts a Latin Rite mass earlier in the day. The deacon who assists him is also bi-ritual.
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 12:14 am |
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left coast mystic wrote: However, it brings up another question. That exposition, written in the late 80s, brought up the issue of ordaining married men as priests, common in the Eastern rites but not in the Latin rite, and apparently forbidden by the CC in the US and Canada (doesn't make much sense to me why these two countries would be singled out in that way). Anyway, I know that recently the CC in the US has been allowing for married Anglican priests who convert to function as priests in the CC. What is the current status of this issue in the Eastern rite dioceses/churches?
The prohibition against married priests in the Eastern Churches in the U.S. was lifted some time ago. Each Church is now free to enforce its own rules.
The suppression of the married priesthood in the Eastern Churches was part of an overall supression of the Eastern Churches in the west, which is technically the territory of the Latin Rite. It was a sad part of our history that came to an end with Vatican II, thank God.
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