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JillD
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| First Name: | Jill | | Gender: | Female | | Faith History: | heathen, EvFree, Messianic, LC-MS, Catholic 2007 |
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 09:34 pm |
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Indeed, my dd is in the online English class of a flaming liberal - and my dd is nearly the reincarnation of Ayn Rand (if ya believed in that stuff...)! She's sitting here by me now, fuming as she reads aloud from a paper written by a Communist, Murray Bookchin, which flames rich, white guys and loves the third world and puts animals above humans in every way. The author claims that Pope Pius IX refused permission for an SPCA to be founded in Rome because "it implied that human beings have duties to the lower creatures."
I googled this a bit but found that idea repeated only on animal rights websites. Without anyone going to a great deal of trouble, would you be able to clarify this a bit and put it in proper context?
The Bible is quite clear about cruelty to animals - it's not to happen! I can't imagine that a Pope would be so hardhearted and that this is either a blatant lie or that key pieces of information are missing.
This paper is unreal... I can hardly believe she's being forced to read it, write on it, and, unless she wants a bad grade, accept and regurgitate this swill. All at our local junior college.
Thanks for your help.
Jill
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MitchyMitch
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 11:19 pm |
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Ayn Randism - tempered with the belief in God and salvation through Christ, was rather influential in my own personal politics. I can get with Rand on radical individualism, but not on the atheism.
Rome's blocking of the SPCA is confusing, unless Rome has information about the org that we don't. I do know that some in the movement are neo-pagans and such.
For information of Catholic thought towards animals, I would looke of St. Francis of Assissi.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 12:42 am |
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I certainly don't feel qualified to speak on every action that may have been taken by every pope. Many of them have been guilty of some really stupid things.
What I do know is the teaching of the Church which, as far as I know, has been consistent for 2000 years, and is reflected in the Catechism:
2415 The seventh commandment enjoins respect for the integrity of creation. Animals, like plants and inanimate beings, are by nature destined for the common good of past, present, and future humanity. Use of the mineral, vegetable, and animal resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for moral imperatives. Man's dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not absolute; it is limited by concern for the quality of life of his neighbor, including generations to come; it requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation.
2416 Animals are God's creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory. Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.
2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image. Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.
2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.
There have been many instances where popes in their personal statements contradicted Catholic teaching. What is remarkable to me is that no pope or council has ever reversed Catholic doctrine in an official pronouncement, regardless of how bad the pope was.
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Pani Rose
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 04:49 am |
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How about this page, will it help? I gogled SPCA and the pope. It sounds like their info is all confused.
Catholic-Animals
CATHOLIC CONCERN FOR ANIMALS ARCHIVE Pope Quotes Pope Leo XIII, on becoming patron in 1870 of the French Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA): ‘As always the Church has placed herself, through the voice of her pontiff, at the head of this movement. It is for her to direct it wherever she can make herself heard.’
Pope Benedict XV in 1915 to the head of the Italian SPCA: ‘His Holiness rejoices to know that the object of your Society is in perfect accord with the doctrine which the Church has always taught and the Saints have always followed, leaving us innumerable beautiful examples of compassion and tenderness.
The fact that the Nations have not always followed the precepts of the Church and the example of the Saints moves the Sovereign Pontiff all the more to favour all that tends (while reserving supreme honour to the King of Creation) to foster respect for these other creatures of God, which Providence forbids us to exploit without concern and enjoins us to show wisdom in our use of them …
Therefore the August Pontiff trusts that you will find faithful and efficient fellow-workers in the priests of God, since it is their duty to conform to the teaching of the Church and the example of the Saints.
It is for them nobly to train souls in sentiments of enlightened gentleness and fostering care and guidance, so that they may offer to the animals refuge from every suspicion of roughness, cruelty or barbarism, and lead men to understand from the beauty of creation something of the infinite perfection of the Creator.’
Pope Pius X wrote an autograph blessing ‘for all who protect from abuse and cruelty the dumb servants given to us by God’, and wished ‘prosperity and success to all workers in this field.’ Of Pius X, his secretary, Cardinal Merry del Val wrote: ‘His Holiness is pleased at being called upon, as head of the Church, for his support in so noble an undertaking, which has the lofty object of caring for the lives and treatment of animals and which at the same time endeavours to eradicate from the hearts of men barbarous and cruel tendencies.’
Pope Puis XI, in his Letter on St Francis of Assisi, wrote: ‘St Francis was led to love all things which he knew had the same origin as he, and in which he recognised the goodness of God. For he followed his Well-Beloved everywhere and in every trace of Him to be founbd in His creatures, he made of all things a ladder to reach His throne.’
http://www.all-creatures.org/ca/archive-pope.html
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