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JillD
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 08:29 pm |
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This size 2 Verdana that we get by default is not fun to read, especially if it's a long post...
I'm sorry, but my eyes, which aren't really THAT old, miss lines or reread lines, and I find that if it's a long post, I often don't read it because it's too much work for me. Am I the only one who feels this way?
I've switched to using size 3 Arial and though I feel a tad odd, as if my post is meant to be more important just because it's bigger, I really mean to be doing everyone a favor by making it easier to read.
Can the default be changed? David Emery, you must write elsewhere and paste in here. I can't seem to copy your font, but it's perfect.
Thanks for considering my problem...
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 08:37 pm |
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My feelings exactly! 
The font is way too small, I struggle to read it, so I convert my posts to size 3, and then feel like I'm trying to "shout out" my message.
I did find that it helps to go to "View' on my tool bar, play with the text size, and then play with font size in the message window. But I haven't found perfection yet. I decided to go back to vision-straining font just so that no one else would think I was "shouting."
What can be done? And why does it turn out to be several different sizes in the same message sometimes?
Can anybody read this?
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Last edited on Wed Dec 27th, 2006 08:38 pm by Ruthie
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JillD
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 08:42 pm |
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I made mine two different sizes on purpose so that I could make my point. A line or two in the default font is OK, but some people write long and, I'm sure, very interesting posts, but I don't read them unless I'm especially intrigued by that topic. Yet, I hate to miss anything! I do hope something can be done.....
Do you mean "Preview"? Yes, I preview mine, and I wonder if it will look like I'm shouting, but I'm going to do it anyway. I THINK THAT WRITING IN ALL CAPS IS PARTICULARLY AKIN TO SHOUTING, don't you? 
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 08:59 pm |
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JillD wrote:
Do you mean "Preview"?
No, I mean go to your toolbar to "View" and go to "text size" and increase it to largest. See, your part of the message came out in huge print? But for some reason my part is still the same. Frustrating. I will try again. It still doesn't affect mine.
I changed to size 3 font. I feel like I'm shouting again. Caps would be too much.
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 10:40 pm |
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Since you asked, Jill, I’ll be glad to tell you my secret. First, you need to pay no attention whatsoever to those “controls” in the text composing box. Second, you need to learn just a couple of manual commands and enough about them to know how they work.
The size control in the panel atop your text composing box gives you one thing: the standard HTML sizes. You have seen that they are all either too small or too large for comfortable reading. If you want better control, you have to enter manual commands.
To start with, you need to know where the square brackets [ and ] are on your keyboard. I use a Mac, so I won’t be able to tell you where those are if you’re using a PC. On the Mac, using the American English OSX keyboard, they are to the right of the letter P. Once you’ve found them, the rest of the encoding is simple. Following are the steps necessary to match my sizing.
Using the forum’s default font, at the very beginning of your post, enter a [ followed by size=13 then the ]. Then write your post. At the very end, add another code: [ followed by /size then the ]. Both codes must appear in their proper positions to work properly.
If you choose to use a different font, you will probably have to adjust the number in the size slightly. For instance, if you use Times New Roman, the number will need to be 15 or 16 to look right. (I’ve used 16 here. More fonts are available than are shown in the text composing box pop-up, but not all fonts are good for reading on computer screens.) Minimum number is 12, maximum 72 (gigantic). What this encoding does is switch the sizing from HTML sizes to sizing by cap height in screen pixels. Each higher number increases the size by one pixel. (Changing both fonts and sizes within a single post can get a little complex, so I won’t go into it here.)
If you find these commands difficult to remember, you can set them up in a macro or text generating utility which will automatically type them out for you when you hit a certain key combination. This is the way I do it; I use a macro generator, which works in any program. Lacking this, you might try a word processor’s “glossary” or “variable” function (known by various names depending on the company; Microsoft Word has a “glossary”), which allows you to type an abbreviation and the program supplies the full text.
Meanwhile, if you find someone’s post hard to read (and I sympathize with you; I started wearing glasses at age 2 and now need trifocals to drive), remember that your browser has a type size command. It’s usually available either from the toolbar or via a keyboard command. On the Mac, I use Command- + or Command- -. On the PC, you would use the Control key instead of Command; I can’t tell you if the mnemonics are the same. Once again, this works with HTML sizing increments, so they won’t be optimum, but at least the text can be made readable.
The alternative is to clipboard or otherwise transfer the text into your word processor. I use a Mac system-level gizmo that with the touch of a button transfers the text and reformats it to the word processor’s default set-up so it’s just the right font and size for easy reading. I set my reply in the word processor, then transfer it back to the forum’s text composing box.
Does that help or hinder?
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 11:47 pm |
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| Unfortunately, there is no way within the forum software to change the default font. I've searched for it, and it just isn't there. Unlike David, who is an expert at this stuff, I change my size manually to 3, and the font to Georgia, when I think about doing it. But since reading his message, I'm going to look for a macro utility. Windows 3.1 had one, but of course, it was useful so Microsoft eliminated it.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 12:40 am |
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| OK here goes. I'm very slightly familiar with those HTML codes. My kids were born with the knowledge. Now, how will this look??? Last edited on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 12:41 am by JillD
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 12:42 am |
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| It works! But when I "previewed," the HTML codes disappeared and I had to go back and edit it. I guess if you preview, you have to reenter the HTML codes?
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 12:51 am |
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David W. Emery wrote: [size=
If you find these commands difficult to remember, you can set them up in a macro or text generating utility which will automatically type them out for you when you hit a certain key combination. This is the way I do it; I use a macro generator, which works in any program. Lacking this, you might try a word processor’s “glossary” or “variable” function (known by various names depending on the company; Microsoft Word has a “glossary”), which allows you to type an abbreviation and the program supplies the full text.
][size=
The alternative is to clipboard or otherwise transfer the text into your word processor. I use a Mac system-level gizmo that with the touch of a button transfers the text and reformats it to the word processor’s default set-up so it’s just the right font and size for easy reading. I set my reply in the word processor, then transfer it back to the forum’s text composing box.
Does that help or hinder?
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This is where I started laughing hysterically! I have no idea what you're talking about!
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 12:58 am |
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JillD wrote: [size=It works! But when I "previewed," the HTML codes disappeared and I had to go back and edit it. I guess if you preview, you have to reenter the HTML codes?]
When you preview, the commands take effect. You don't have to reenter the HTML unless you add something to the end.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 01:20 am |
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Jill, you know you can rely on me to give complete answers, no matter what the topic. Since you mention the encoding disappearing, I’ve switched to Firefox to see what you’re talking about. My favored browser is Safari, and it doesn’t do the WYSIWYG formatting. Only Internet Explorer (no longer available on the Mac) and Firefox do that.
All right, so you don’t understand my technical talk. That’s OK. Likely you wouldn’t use it if you did. But it’s there for those who do understand and who might want to try. Cajunrick has notified me that he is investigating several free macro utilities that might work for entering the encoding. If he finds something that works well enough, he will report on it.
Keep in mind that I work for a publisher, and I deal with stuff like this all the time. Making sure our work is properly formatted and prints well is an everyday task. Even when I’m on vacation, like today, I get calls when somebody is in a bind.
I just previewed my post, and I see what you mean about the encoding disappearing. But it displays and retains the formatting. Since the WYSIWYG set-up basically just hides the encoding and previews in the text composing window so you don’t have to preview separately, it’s operating the way it was designed. The encoding disappears because it’s supposed to disappear. It’s still there behind the scene, so you don’t have to re-enter it.
However! If you preview again or post the text after previewing it, it mutilates the encoding you entered and reverts to defaults. Then you will have to remove the pieces of encoding and re-enter it. So if you’re using Internet Explorer or Firefox, do not preview your post or you will lose it. OK?
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 01:20 am |
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cajunrick wrote: JillD wrote: [size=It works! But when I "previewed," the HTML codes disappeared and I had to go back and edit it. I guess if you preview, you have to reenter the HTML codes?]
[size=When you preview, the commands take effect. You don't have to reenter the HTML unless you add something to the end.]
[size=I think you're wrong, but let me try this. I'm going to preview this which I'm writing and then come back to it and send it without reentering the HTML codes. Let's see...]
See what happened to it when I previewed, then sent it without redoing the codes? Now this part I'm going to just send without previewing first.
Last edited on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 01:22 am by JillD
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 01:28 am |
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JillD wrote: cajunrick wrote: JillD wrote: [size=It works! But when I "previewed," the HTML codes disappeared and I had to go back and edit it. I guess if you preview, you have to reenter the HTML codes?]
[size=When you preview, the commands take effect. You don't have to reenter the HTML unless you add something to the end.]
[size=I think you're wrong, but let me try this. I'm going to preview this which I'm writing and then come back to it and send it without reentering the HTML codes. Let's see...]
It works differently in different browsers and with different operating systems, so "your mileage may vary". You'll just have to experiment with it until you get it figured out.
Your best bet might be to wait until you get the message the way you want it, and add the formatting codes last.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 01:42 am |
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David W. Emery wrote: I just previewed my post, and I see what you mean about the encoding disappearing. But it displays and retains the formatting. Since the WYSIWYG set-up basically just hides the encoding and previews in the text composing window so you don’t have to preview separately, it’s operating the way it was designed. The encoding disappears because it’s supposed to disappear. It’s still there behind the scene, so you don’t have to re-enter it.
However! If you preview again, it mutilates the encoding you entered and reverts to defaults. Then you will have to remove the pieces of encoding and re-enter it. So if you’re WYSIWYGing in Internet Explorer or Firefox, do not preview your post more than once or you will lose it. OK?
I only previewed once, then sent it, and it wasn't right. At least that's how it worked on my computer. If I don't reenter it, it doesn't work right. It's a tad disconcerting, not to preview, since entering these HTML codes does not come naturally to me. But it seems to be working! Thank you!
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 02:20 am |
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You’ll notice I removed the “more than once.” I guess I was revising it while you were trying it out.
If you don’t use Internet Explorer or Firefox, you can preview all you want to and it will continue to work fine. There are lots of free internet browsers around. Give them a try. This site may help you locate and download a good one.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 02:27 am |
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I'm using Opera now, and the editor is much simpler without the spellchecker, font, and some other options.
David is right, it does not mutilate the HTML codes. They remain in place even when I preview the message.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 02:31 am |
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| [size= What's Opera?? And what you will see here is what happens to my message when I do just one preview without reinserting the codes.]
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 02:34 am |
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JillD wrote: [size= What's Opera?? And what you will see here is what happens to my message when I do just one preview without reinserting the codes.]
Opera is another browser for Windows XP computers. The four main browsers are Internet Explorer (which comes with Windows), Netscape, Firefox, and Opera.
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