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CajunRick
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Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 12:43 pm |
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NotCatholic wrote: 2. I believe in God.
3. I believe in a afterlife.
7.I don't believe in holy books.
9.I don't believe in hell.
10.I don't believe in evolution.
11.I believe we can know god by reason.
12.I don't believe in Miracles.
I have selected a few of your points for discussion because I find them quite contradictory. As I understand your statements, you believe we were directly created by God (no evolution) but there is no revelation which tells us this (no holy books) and it was not a miraculous event (no miracles). We are created and then ignored (my presumption based on your other beliefs) until our death, at which point we will be rewarded with some kind of an afterlife regardless of how we have lived (no hell), and all of this is known to us through reason alone.
As I understand the terms, that makes you closer to an agnostic than an athiest, or perhaps a variation of Unitarianism. At any rate, it appears that your beliefs are yours alone. I would be curious to know how you rank on Beliefnet's Belief-O-Matic.
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NotCatholic
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Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 08:29 pm |
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I have selected a few of your points for discussion because I find them quite contradictory.
ok lol
As I understand your statements, you believe we were directly created by God
Yes this what I believe.
but there is no revelation which tells us this (no holy books) and it was not a miraculous event.
Yes theirs no holy books God does not write books humans write books and then they clam its from God to gain power over people. to me God creating people is not miraculouse to me creation is a natural step as death is a natural step. Your view of miracles come from a Catholic understanding ask a Muslim,Sikh or even a Jew of what a miracle is and it will not be the same as your Catholic Understanding thats a fact.
We are created and then ignored (my presumption based on your other beliefs) until our death, at which point we will be rewarded with some kind of an afterlife regardless of how we have lived (no hell), and all of this is known to us through reason alone.
God created us to live, this earth is apart of a process in my view so God lets us be as we are because this is the best way to get ready for the next step in are lives. God knows better then me and you and if this is how we are to live then so be it. I said God can be know by reason I never said everthing can be known. To tell you the truth you just have a deep lack of understanding of what I believe because you come at it with your Catholic understanding this is not a shock to me trust me.
As I understand the terms, that makes you closer to an agnostic
Sorry but you guess wrong look up the word agnostic my believes are closer to Deism.
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Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 08:51 pm |
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I would be curious to know how you rank on Beliefnet's Belief-O-Matic.
here you go.
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Jainism (100%)
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Hinduism (95%)
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Mahayana Buddhism (88%)
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Bahá'í Faith (88%)
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Unitarian Universalism (82%)
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Liberal Quakers (82%)
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Neo-Pagan (79%)
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Orthodox Judaism (77%)
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Sikhism (74%)
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New Age (74%)
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Reform Judaism (72%)
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Islam (71%)
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Theravada Buddhism (68%)
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Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (60%)
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New Thought (57%)
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Orthodox Quaker (55%)
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Scientology (49%)
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Taoism (48%)
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Seventh Day Adventist (44%)
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Secular Humanism (40%)
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Eastern Orthodox (39%)
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Roman Catholic (39%)
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Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (37%)
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Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (36%)
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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (32%)
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Jehovah's Witness (30%)
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Nontheist (29%)
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Last edited on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 08:52 pm by NotCatholic
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 10:08 pm |
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NotCatholic wrote: 1.
Jainism (100%)
That does surprise me, since this contradicts several of your stated beliefs.
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Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 10:10 pm |
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| Now I'm worried! I took the quiz and Roman Catholic came in fourth, behind in order: Mormonism, Mainline Conservative Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox. And I was trying to be unbiased as much as possible and not just put what I had learned in my conversion process. Oh well, so much for computerized religion. Guess my heart and soul can't be measured!
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Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 10:34 pm |
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| I took the quiz and RC and Eastern Orthodox came in a 100 % with secular humanism coming in last at 7%
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Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 10:37 pm |
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| I can't believe I flunked the Belief-O-Matic!
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Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 10:59 pm |
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Credo Catholic wrote: Now I'm worried! I took the quiz and Roman Catholic came in fourth, behind in order: Mormonism, Mainline Conservative Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox.
I found out I'm supposed to be a Quaker. I chalk that up to those who are not Catholic not fully understanding the Catholic faith. Mormonism probably came out on top for you because of a strong commitment to family, which is certainly consistent with the Catholic faith but is not something most non-Catholics would automatically equate with the Catholic faith. Add in an appreciation of scripture (a Protestant trait) and a love of liturgy (which the Orthodox are known for), and your rankings are easy to understand.
But a Quaker? I've never even met a Quaker! The only Quaker I've ever "known" was Richard Nixon! I took it three times and got the same result each time. At least Catholic came in the top five for me.
One thing that is interesting is just how similar most religions are, at least among the Abrahamic faiths (Jews, Christians, Muslims), in their basic belief structures. Eastern faiths (Buddhist, Hindus, Ba'hai, etc.) share a similar basis for their faiths as well. Of course, there are massive differences as well, but enough similarities to see that they sprung from a common root.
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Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 11:15 pm |
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| True- I found that I scored pretty closely in clusters - all the "eastern stuff" was pretty close, the pagan, new age was pretty low on the totem and the family values type like LDS came in fairly high
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 12:27 am |
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That does surprise me, since this contradicts several of your stated beliefs.
Same here 
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 12:08 pm |
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Eastern Orthodox (98%)
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Roman Catholic (98%)
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Orthodox Quaker (93%)
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Seventh Day Adventist (87%)
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Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (84%)
What is an Orthodox Quaker? Like the oatmeal guy? Do they stil exist?
I think, as fun as that quiz was, 20 questions may be too limited.
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 01:07 pm |
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I took the test again and I guess I made better choices this time. Quaker has dropped to third:
- Eastern Orthodox (100%)
- Roman Catholic (100%)
- Orthodox Quaker (89%)
- Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (83%)
- Seventh Day Adventist (81%)
- Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (64%)
- Orthodox Judaism (60%)
- Hinduism (55%)
- Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (54%)
- Sikhism (54%)
- Islam (51%)
- Bahá'í Faith (50%)
- Liberal Quakers (49%)
- Jehovah's Witness (45%)
- Unitarian Universalism (39%)
- Jainism (38%)
- Reform Judaism (33%)
- Neo-Pagan (30%)
- Mahayana Buddhism (29%)
- Theravada Buddhism (28%)
- New Age (24%)
- Secular Humanism (22%)
- Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (19%)
- Scientology (19%)
- Nontheist (16%)
- Taoism (16%)
- New Thought (15%)
I am most proud of what is at the bottom of the list. I assume Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic are listed alphabetically, and I am quite satisfied to rank 100% on both. And yes, 20 questions are not enough (although there are actually 60 possible answers when you consider ranking importance), and I think the way the "test" is designed, the ranking you give of importance is as important (maybe more important) than your answer in determining the ranking among similar belief structures.
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 01:17 pm |
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mitchbrock wrote:What is an Orthodox Quaker? Like the oatmeal guy? Do they still exist?
There are several kinds of Quakers, Mitch. Years ago I had a Quaker friend who was a professor at a Quaker-affiliated college in Oregon, and I learned a bit about them from him. Orthodox Friends (the Quakers’ own name for themselves) follow founder George Fox’s doctrine more closely than the Liberal or Reformed Friends. Reformed Friends have mixed quite a lot of Anabaptist and Calvinist doctrine and practice into their approach to religion. Liberal Friends tend more toward the same mindset as Liberal Protestantism, but with a particular Quaker slant. Although the census information is now about 100 years old, this link will give you a little historical background on the origin and distinctive beliefs of Quakers.
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 05:25 pm |
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Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
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Orthodox Quaker (93%)
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Eastern Orthodox (91%)
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Roman Catholic (91%)
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Seventh Day Adventist (91%)
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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (68%)
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Hinduism (65%)
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Jehovah's Witness (62%)
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Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (61%)
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Orthodox Judaism (56%)
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Islam (47%)
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Jainism (42%)
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Liberal Quakers (39%)
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Bahá'í Faith (35%)
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Sikhism (35%)
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Mahayana Buddhism (34%)
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Unitarian Universalism (34%)
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Theravada Buddhism (33%)
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Neo-Pagan (27%)
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Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (20%)
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New Age (20%)
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Reform Judaism (18%)
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Secular Humanism (18%)
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Nontheist (16%)
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Scientology (15%)
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Taoism (13%)
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New Thought (9%)
The first time I took the test I was 100% Orthodox Quaker, 2)Eastern Orthodox 3)Roman Catholic. Then I took it again. Now I am 100% conservative Christian/Protestant?! Aside from wishing 1 and 4, of the most recent test, were switched - I'm not complaining. I am glad that I was not the only one that didn't score 100% R.C. We are all human!!
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 07:19 pm |
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| I was going to post that I thought the test a load of (*&#$ particularly given that I thought for at least one of the questions it was impossible to give a 100% Catholic answer so I had to choose the "most appropriate" response... but then I got 100% Catholic so the test must be spot on.
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 08:46 pm |
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DrDave wrote: a load of (*&#$
Watch it! That kind of language is not permitted here. It may be acceptable in Oz, but not at CHNI!
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 12:54 am |
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| I think you would make a good Quaker Rick
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 05:13 pm |
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That was pretty fun!
Here are my scores:
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Orthodox Quaker (100%)
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Eastern Orthodox (98%)
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Roman Catholic (98%)
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Seventh Day Adventist (97%)
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Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (96%)
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Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (82%)
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Orthodox Judaism (67%)
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Hinduism (66%)
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Liberal Quakers (64%)
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Islam (63%)
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