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Parodyonlife
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 12:17 pm |
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I'm going through RCIA and I visited our youth group, the speaker said any baptism counts (even from a protestant church) if you are entering the church. Where as I have heard other people say it has to be trinatarian meaning I baptise you in the name of the father son and holy spirit. Which is it? Also what do I say to all my protestant friends who say im going to hell for this decision.
Thank you for any answers,
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 12:24 pm |
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Parodyonlife wrote: I'm going through RCIA and I visited our youth group, the speaker said any baptism counts (even from a protestant church) if you are entering the church. Where as I have heard other people say it has to be trinatarian meaning I baptise you in the name of the father son and holy spirit. Which is it?
IME, it has to be a Trinitarian one. I was baptized as JW, but they don't believe in the Trinity, so I had to have a "real" baptism upon coming into the church. Trust me, I was glad to get it! Other's can speak of the official church teachings, I'm merely sharing with you my experience 
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Also what do I say to all my protestant friends who say im going to hell for this decision.
Uh, See you there? Ohhhh, that wasn't very nice was it? And just a tad bit cynical. My bad  Sorry, John, I don't have any real advice for this one.
Welcome to the forum, btw!!
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Parodyonlife
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 01:27 pm |
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Thank you that helps alot. I figured it had to be trinitarian, The person who told me it doesn't was well... not reliable? Yeah protestants are pretty hateful towards Catholics especially my friends. It's probably not the case with most though.
John
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 01:29 pm |
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Uh, See you there? Ohhhh, that wasn't very nice was it? And just a tad bit cynical. My bad Sorry, John, I don't have any real advice for this one.
Welcome to the forum, btw!!
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And lol.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 01:48 pm |
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Hi John, welcome to the forum! It's good to have you here. As to your question about the RCC accepting a protestant baptism, you will most likely be asked to furnish proof of your baptism, such as a baptismal certificate, or a letter from your former church stating you were baptised and the date. Your RCIA director and pastor can determine if the church you are coming from used the trinitarian formula. If you are not able to furnish this proof, or they determine the trinitarian formula was probably not used, then you can receive conditional baptism from the RCC. That just means, on condition that the former baptism was not done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, then this one would be. The RCC is very thorough!
There's not a good "comeback" to a person who would tell you you're going to hell for any reason. You can tell them they don't decide who's going, or you can tell them you are joining the church because you are following what Christ has told you to do. You have to do what you know is right. They may not listen, they probably won't if they are that opinionated. But that is just one of the burdens we have in this world, putting up with, and trying to be charitable, to people who don't have a clue. I hope that helps a little. God bless your journey!
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 05:12 pm |
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Parodyonlife wrote: the speaker said any baptism counts (even from a protestant church) if you are entering the church. Where as I have heard other people say it has to be trinatarian meaning I baptise you in the name of the father son and holy spirit. Which is it?
It has to be a tinitarian formula using water, and the minister has to intend what the Church intends. So, for example, a Mormon baptism is invalid even though it is trinitarian and uses water, and a Protestant baptism "in the name of Jesus" is invalid because it does not invoke the Trinity. But most mainstream Protestant baptisms are recognized.
Also what do I say to all my protestant friends who say im going to hell for this decision.
Tell them, "Thank God Jesus doesn't judge as harshly as you do."
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Parodyonlife
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 06:17 pm |
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See the strange part is i was baptized ina evangelical church but it was still trinitarian and in water  . So I'm good, Plus our faith director at our church said im "safe" . That was a philosophical question i wish i was getting baptized cause then i dont have to confess prior sins to my baptism :|. yuck.
John
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 09:29 pm |
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Parodyonlife wrote: I'm going through RCIA and I visited our youth group, the speaker said any baptism counts (even from a protestant church) if you are entering the church. Where as I have heard other people say it has to be trinatarian meaning I baptise you in the name of the father son and holy spirit. Which is it? Also what do I say to all my protestant friends who say im going to hell for this decision.
Thank you for any answers,
John
I hope you do not have many friends who are that upset with you. My answer would be that, "I trust in God's mercy and in His love."
There would be no point at this time, to explain the very complex reasons you were lead by grace to the Catholic Church. Just be kind and try to understand that your protestant friends are bewildered and on the defensive.
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Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 01:54 am |
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This is my first post, so I hope I'm not way out of order or offensive to anyone in any way. Here goes...
John,
Here's what I suggest you do
First ask them is they believe Romans 10:9 to be true.
Hopefully they will know the passage, but if not, you can read it to them and then ask them the same question again.
This passage here is from the Catholic New American Bible, here http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/
but if you want to make them more comfortable, you might quote it from the New King James Version here:
http://www.biblegateway.com/ ----it's about the same language
Romans 10:9
....for, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
If they say yes, they do believe it, then say "good for you" and then take them to this link on the web:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s1c3a2.htm
This is the Vatican pages for the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which is what we believe and teach.
Now scroll down to the bottom of the page and see the two prayers under the last section entitled: THE CREDO. Those prayers are" "The Apostles Creed" and "The Nicene Creed"
Walk them through those two prayers and highlight these verses in each prayer:
In the The Apostles Creed, these two verses:
"...I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord...."
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"...On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father..."
In The Nicene Creed, these two verses:
"...We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God"
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"...On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father..."
Then tell them that every single Sunday all church-going Catholics all around the world say one of those two prayers out loud. That means that 52 weeks a year, Catholics are confessing with their mouth that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him from the dead.
Then ask them how you can possibly go to hell when you will be doing every Sunday what Jesus and what their very own church pastor says you need to do to be saved.
Then tell them that when you yourself join the Catholic church and go to Mass, you too will be confessing the Lord Jesus with your mouth every week and they could be too if they were to join you at Mass.
If, by the way they say that they don't believe believe Romans 10:9 to be true, then tell them that they need to book an appointment with their own pastor, because he will more than likely tell them that if they don't believe it, they cannot be saved and are themselves going to hell.
just my two cents.
Regards,
Anthony
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