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morgan13215
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 08:07 pm |
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I have been attending RCIA classes on Sunday mornings--we must be "dismissed" each Sunday. All of us in the class are very unhappy to have to come and stand in front of the whole cathedral and be Dismissed!
I will be Conditionally baptized soon. Has anyone gone through this-and is willing to share the experience with me?
Can anyone share the "scrutinies" experience with me?
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 08:37 pm |
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| I am currently in RCIA and I also find the Sunday morning dismissal very tedious and uncomfortable. Maybe someone can shed some information on why this must done for the baptized as well as the unbaptized. Last edited on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 08:37 pm by Kent
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 09:12 pm |
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There is much flexibility in the program. Dismissal of the unbaptized (catechumens) is recommended, but the baptized should not be dismissed. The practice literally dates back to the earliest days of the Church and was re-established at the request of the Council Fathers of Vatican II.
Each diocese and parish has to implement RCIA in the way that is most effective based on the availability of catechists, facilities, etc. If you would like specific information about how or why your parish implements it, you should ask your pastor or RCIA catechist. I would recommend asking outside of session time.
Some people have real concerns with dismissal catechesis. I have known people with small children who were unable to participate because of the dismissal, and not having anyone to trust with their children. But it is a very effective way of involving the entire parish in the process as they get to pray for those being dismissed each week and grow to a greater appreciation of their own Christian faith. At least that's been my experience.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 11:26 pm |
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Last year I was one of the baptized who was dismissed right after the homily. I found that if I was going through the RCIA program to learn anything new, I was disappointed, but if I was going through it because it seemed to be part of God's plan for my life, I found much that touched my heart. One of the things I loved the most was being "sung out" of the congregation, hearing all those present singing that I was someone that our Savior was calling by name, and that I was a holy and chosen one.
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 12:58 pm |
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I go through dismsisal as well but it doesnt bother me as much, The congregation is giving its blessing to our journey not to tease us or embarras us.
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Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2008 02:13 pm |
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It is also used in the Byzantine Churches. In the early Church, there was such concern that catechumens didn't understand the mystery that is taking place so they needed to leave and receive instruction from that point. Here are the prayers as they are used for our church.
Prayer of the Catechumens
(During the litany of the catechumens, the priest unfolds on the altar table the corporal [antimins], a cloth with a depiction of the burial of Christ.)
Priest:Pray unto the Lord, ye catechumens.
People:Lord, have mercy.
Priest:Ye faithful, pray ye for the catechumens, that the Lord may have mercy upon them.
People:Lord, have mercy.
Priest:That He may teach them the word of truth;
People:Lord, have mercy.
Priest:That He may reveal to them the Gospel of righteousness.
People:Lord, have mercy.
Priest:That He may unite them unto His Holy, Universal, and Apostolic Church;
People:Lord, have mercy.
Priest:Save them, have mercy upon them, preserve them, and protect them, O God, by Thy grace.
People:Lord, have mercy.
Priest:Bow your heads unto the Lord, ye catechumens.
People:To Thee, O Lord.
Priest (in a low voice):O Lord, our God, Who dwellest on high and regardest the humble of heart; Who hast sent forth as the salvation of mankind Thine Only-begotten Son and God, our Lord Jesus Christ; look down upon Thy servants, the catechumens, who have bowed their heads before Thee; make them worthy in due season of the laver of regeneration. Unite them to thy Holy, Universal and Apostolic Church, and number them with Thy chosen flock.
Priest:That they also with us may glorify Thy most honorable and majestic Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages.
People:Lord, have mercy.
Dismissal of the Catechumens
Priest:All ye catechumens, depart! Depart, ye catechumens! All ye that are catechumens, depart! Let no catechumens remain! But let us who are of the faithful, again and again, in peace pray to the Lord.
People:Lord, have mercy.
Priest (in a low voice):We give thanks unto Thee, O Lord God of the Powers, Who hast accounted us worthy to stand even now before Thy holy altar, and to prostrate ourselves before Thy compassion for our sins and errors of the people. Accept our supplications, O God; make us worthy to offer unto Thee prayers and supplications, and bloodless sacrifices for all Thy people. And enable us, whom Thou hast appointed in this Thy ministry, by the power of Thy Holy Spirit, blamelessly and without offense, in the pure testimony of our conscience, to call upon Thee at all times and in every place; that hearing us, Thou mayest show mercy upon us according to the multitude of Thy goodness.
Priest:Help us, save us have mercy upon us and protect us, O god, by Thy grace.
People:Lord, have mercy.
Priest:For unto Thee are due all glory, honor, and worship, to the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages.People:Amen. __________________
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Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 02:14 am |
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morgan13215 wrote: I have been attending RCIA classes on Sunday mornings--we must be "dismissed" each Sunday. All of us in the class are very unhappy to have to come and stand in front of the whole cathedral and be Dismissed!
I will be Conditionally baptized soon. Has anyone gone through this-and is willing to share the experience with me?
Can anyone share the "scrutinies" experience with me?
Thank you for responding to my request regarding The Rite of Dismissal. My conditional Baptism is coming soon. Does anyone have any experience with this?
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Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 05:14 am |
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You may be interested in this thread:
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Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 12:30 pm |
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CajunRick wrote:
There is much flexibility in the program. Dismissal of the unbaptized (catechumens) is recommended, but the baptized should not be dismissed. The practice literally dates back to the earliest days of the Church and was re-established at the request of the Council Fathers of Vatican II.
Just to provide a little documentation for the above from the "Apostolic Tradition," by St. Hippolytus, dating from the late second century:
"When the teacher finishes his instruction, the catechumens will pray by themselves, separate from the faithful ... After the prayer, the teacher shall lay hands upon the catechumens, pray, and dismiss them. Whether such is one of the laypeople or of the clergy, let him do so ...The catechumen may not take part in the Lord's Supper." (Passages from chapters 18, 19 and 28)
I'm sure there are earlier passages too. I looked for something in the Didache, but didn't find anything explicit. The implication seems to be that in those days there wasn't simply a "closed communion," but also a "closed service" in which the faithful weren't to be observed participating in the holy mystery of the Eucharist. Of course, as a result of having the doors closed there were the early rumors about the Church practicing cannibalism, etc.
= MLast edited on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 12:30 pm by MichaelStEdmund
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