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sewnsew
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Posted: Mon Oct 9th, 2006 11:48 pm |
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I am a cradle Anglican, While living overseas I often attended R.C. services since I felt more comfortable there than in evangelical services. My in laws are Southern Baptist and were upset that I refused to leave the Episcopal church after we got married ( my husband left his church and belongs to none). In my efforts to try and debunk some of their misconceptions I found my self reading more and more. The more I read the more I feel that I belong in the R.C. church. My problem now ( other than my in-laws who would really be upset)is that we have a 15 y.o. son with High functioning Autism and a 14 year old daughter- both children are baptized, confirmed Episcopal and are altar servers to boot; They are very fond of both the Priests at our church and many of the parishioners and so would have a hard time emotionally. They both attend Parochial school and I am hoping that the Theology classes will help me find a way to help them choose to make this decision with me. We do live in a small town and our fellow parishioners would have a hard time with my choice and would be still pretty involved with us out side of church... Another question I have is would we have to be re- baptized, re confirmed etc. ?
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Br. Rich SFO
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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 12:07 am |
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| You would not be re-Baptized. It would be safe to assume that your Baptisms are valid. You would be Confirmed, not 'Re-Confirmed" however you can never repeat the Sacrament of Confirmation. However because the Episcopal church does not have valid Holy Orders, it does not have valid Bishops. The Sacrament of Confirmation requires the authority of a validly Ordained Bishop. You mention that your children are attending a Parochial school. Catholic I assume? They will attend School Mass either every day or at least once a week. Try to use that as a means of introducing them to the Catholic faith. Invite them to go to the Catholic Church with you on a few Sunday mornings. Then mention on the way back home in the car that you were thinking of switching churches. Let them know that if they wanted to all three of you could attend RCIA together.
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sewnsew
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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 10:51 am |
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| Why would the baptism be valid?
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 12:50 pm |
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Here is the reason, kimdyuma:
Catechism of the Catholic Church wrote:1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon. In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize, by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.
The Catholic Church therefore recognizes nearly all non-Catholic baptisms. Your Anglican baptism will almost certainly qualify.
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mrsbmoo
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Posted: Wed Oct 11th, 2006 02:18 pm |
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When I entered the Catholic church, I had daughters who were 14, 12, and 10. The older 2 had been baptized as Presbyterians and we were coming from a Wesleyan(evangelical) church. Their Dad(we are divorced) is baptist and was against their conversion. I told them that they must attend either my church, their Dad's church or their grandparents' church every Sunday. They chose to go with me on my weekends and with their Dad on his. The youngest of the 3 choose almost immediately to be baptized and start preparing for First eucharist. The middle followed very quickly. The oldest said no for over six months. I tried not to push but we did discuss it often, answering questions and clarifying issues. She had already decided to attend a Catholic High School for other reasons and this helped. No, her High School did not have Mass every week as another poster suggested. Yet after 6 months she began to love to go to mass and by late next summer she joined with the rest of the family(step-dad was already a former Catholic).
So my advice is don't force the kids which church to join but I feel it is very reasonable to ask them to attend either their grandparents' or your church. If they were pleading atheism woulding you still insist they attend church even if they chose not to believe? I think it is a mistake to let teens choose whether tho go to church. It implies that it isn't very important to you. It made a huge impression on me that my parents only agreed to let me go to an after-prom party if I got up and went to church the next morning.
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 07:42 pm |
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What are the minimum dogma-belief requirements?
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CajunRick
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 08:27 pm |
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Incognito wrote: What are the minimum dogma-belief requirements?
When a Protestant joins the Church, he or she expresses belief in all that the Catholic Church teaches and believes. In essence, the "minimum" is to believe everything in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 08:33 pm |
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For some of the doctrines that I'm having a hard time truly understanding, I have a "Lord, I believe. Help my unbelief!" sort of attitude. I don't DENY the tough ones, but I'm patiently waiting for understanding to settle in. For me, it's indulgences. I've read a lot about them, why, how, etc. But I don't own it yet, a full embracing of the doctrine. I figure it's my lack, not the Church's.
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Posted: Wed Dec 27th, 2006 08:35 pm |
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But the EO and Oriental Churches are in a sort of communion, too, but they don't, do they?
How many even know what all is in it?
Are you sure? Because that would be a real barrier to reunification ut unam sunt. :-(
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CajunRick
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Posted: Thu Dec 28th, 2006 12:17 am |
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Incognito wrote: But the EO and Oriental Churches are in a sort of communion, too, but they don't, do they?
How many even know what all is in it?
Are you sure? Because that would be a real barrier to reunification ut unam sunt. :-(
I'm afraid I don't know just what you're asking. The Oriental Churches such as the Assyrian Church of the East and the Eastern Orthodox Churches are not in communion with each other. The Orthodox do not permit intercommunion with any other Church, including the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church do permit members of the Orthodox and Oriental Churches, as well as the Polish National Church, to receive communion in the Catholic Church.
Is your next question about the Catechism? Most of us have grown up with the teachings included in it. It is mainly intended as a resource for catechists, but it has become increasingly popular. It is extremely readable and very well referenced, and even though I learn from it practically every time I pick it up, I've never really found anything I had a problem accepting.
It is not necessary to understand everything that the Church teaches in order to be Catholic. It is necessary to accept it, but acceptance often comes on faith, not knowledge. Faith is the beginning of belief, not the result of it.
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