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JillD
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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 12:51 pm |
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| I'm a little betwixt and between, but the RCIA class I think I am going to attend is using a book by Leonard Foley called "Believing in Jesus." I've read several chapters in order to get caught up to the group which started in late June, and the book seems 'light and fluffy.' I am becoming aware of a strain in the Church between liberal and conservative thinking and I would tend toward the latter. Does anyone know where this book falls and what it might indicate about the RCIA class and teacher?
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 01:20 pm |
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Jill, I note that Foley’s publisher is St. Anthony Messenger, which is well known for its liberal bias and for failing to distinguish between substance and fluff.
Most inquirers into the Catholic Church are seeking orthodoxy and substance. They would not be on the journey if it were otherwise. I do not see that orthodoxy must be given a “conservative” label: it is the norm. Dissidence in either direction is the extremism.
My advice is that you continue in the class but consult frequently with sources of known value to keep your sanity.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 06:02 pm |
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The texts for my RCIA class were a Catholic Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You can't go wrong there. 
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mrsbmoo
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Posted: Sun Oct 15th, 2006 11:11 pm |
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| My texts were also the Bible and the Catechism. They are the definitaiton of what we believe.
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Br. Rich SFO
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 12:04 am |
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| Believing In Jesus, is a very poor choice for an RCIA text. Everyone should try the New Adult Catechism as their RCIA text.
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JillD
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 12:20 am |
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| I think some sort of text is a good idea unless the teacher is fully stocked with good resources or is incredibly knowledgeable. I'm not going to go to the RCIA class which is using the "Believing in Jesus" text. But the one I am going to uses the Catechism (? so far, not yet, but we were given one) and the Bible, but in the first class quite a bit of misinformation was given and will need to be corrected this coming week. If there's a text and the teacher sticks with it, at least the material should be accurate.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 12:38 am |
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JillD wrote: ...but in the first class quite a bit of misinformation was given and will need to be corrected this coming week. If there's a text and the teacher sticks with it, at least the material should be accurate.
What kind of misinformation?
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JillD
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 12:43 am |
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Small-ish things...
Like there were women authors of some of the OT books, "Adam" is a neutral name not necessarily meaning man, there is proof of human evolution, Job is considered one of the prophets, the three legs of the faith - Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium - are all equal to each other, Adam and Eve were created at the same time...
Maybe that's all... I don't think he meant to do harm. I just think he's misinformed and/or not the world's greatest teacher. The DRE heard about some of these mistakes and will be correcting them, so all is not lost. But a text to follow would be an excellent idea for this class!
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mrsbmoo
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 12:52 am |
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| We pretty much went through the catechism topic by topic, so it worked as an outline. We spent more time on topics that people had question about. I know when we covered the nature of the universal church that was a topic we spent some time on. (Several of us had to process how protestant and catholic churches were We also watched some videos of Scott Hahn and Fr Corapi. The priest came in a cou0ple time and answered any question we threw at him. We also discussed how to integrate ourselves into the congregation by serving in various jobs. I particularly appreciated that. So many times you become a member in something and are left to flounder trying to find your role.
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Posted: Thu Dec 21st, 2006 12:46 pm |
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We are using this book in my RCIA class. I find that some of it is really good... other parts, not so good. Thankfully, this book is not central to the class and we receive other writings in addition to discussions and talks.
I think my RCIA class is great but there ARE a few things I've heard that were erroneous, though not heretical or anything. My concern is that, while I know they aren't on target with some things, others may not know. Also, my RCIA seems to be lacking a bit on the apologetic end of things, which I think is essential, especially for those coming from other Christians faiths who will soon find themselves defending Catholicism with their non-Catholic Christian friends.
I simply take the text for what it's worth and read other books to get a more accurate and full picture of things. Also, if I find something to be a bit "off", I will ask about it or address it with the RCIA team...
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Posted: Mon Jan 1st, 2007 09:51 pm |
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Becky,
When you said that you went through the catechism topic by topic, did all of you just open to chapter one & read until someone had a question?
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Posted: Tue Jan 2nd, 2007 03:01 pm |
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Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2007 03:47 am |
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Uh...what *is* the difference between a blessed item and a sacramental?  Just wondering. This relates to the other day, when I got home from getting my ashes, I traced my finger on my forehead and put some on my non-Catholic husband's forehead...last year he went with me, and his church does the ashes, but he couldn't go this year. Anyway, right away he asks me...is it ok for you to do that? I'm thinking yes, because laypeople can do the ashes since they're sacramentals, *but*...it did get me to wondering, is it a blessing? And if so, what blessings can laypeople do? (My husband's not Catholic, but he keeps me on the straight and narrow. )
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Br. Rich SFO
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Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2007 08:22 am |
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The BLESSING is on the object or person in this case the ashes were Blessed by a bishop, priest or deacon.
Their use is as a SACRAMENTAL, the person using them receives Actual Grace.
Blessed objects are also used for celebrating the Rites associated with the Sacraments. For example the Holy Oils used in Confirmation, Baptism, Anointing of the Sick.
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Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2007 12:28 pm |
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This book might help:
The How-To Book of the Mass: Everything You Need to Know but No One Ever Taught You
Available at amazon.com
Attachment: Mass book.jpg (Downloaded 25 times)
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Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2007 12:54 pm |
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Great book! I think all parishes should have some kind of class based on this book. I actually started an outline, when I read it a few years ago, but am afraid of husband's dissaproval. Dang! But, what's new there?
Laura
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Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2007 02:47 pm |
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| There is another pink book "The How Book of Sacramentals".
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